Syrcus Tower is 1 tank, 2 healer, 5 dps per party

[Musashidon]

It's more likely that they quickly figure out the other players don't accept them spiritbonding and get kicked.
With 6 tanks, as tank you can safely enter and spiritbond KNOWING that there will be others that can do the job for you.
With 3 tanks, you don't have that luxury any more.

not really if people wanna get suspended for vote kick abuse i guess it's a problem.

[Nekodar]

not really if people wanna get suspended for vote kick abuse i guess it's a problem.

Vote kick abuse?
If a tank insists on spiritbonding rather than doing his/her role properly, and it's one tank per party, that can easily be covered under harassment, so would not be abuse at all.
If the tank can do the job properly while spiritbonding, it's not a problem, but it's more likely that he/she can't

[Musashidon]

Vote kick abuse?
If a tank insists on spiritbonding rather than doing his/her role properly, and it's one tank per party, that can easily be covered under harassment, so would not be abuse at all.
If the tank can do the job properly while spiritbonding, it's not a problem, but it's more likely that he/she can't

yeaa being bad isn't part of vote kick either. in the end you're abusing the system and it's an abuse.

[AlrikRouge]

Still curious why a few said it could lead to longer tank ques...

But I'd also imagine, to the above posters on SBing, that there will be an iLevel requirement of i80 or some such if the drops are going to be i100. I'm hoping i85, but realistically probably not above i80.

[Nekodar]

yeaa being bad isn't part of vote kick either. in the end you're abusing the system and it's an abuse.

Is that your excuse for spiritbonding and refusing to do your job? Even if other players tell you what to do?
"I'm a bad tank! You can't kick me for being a bad tank!" ...

[Musashidon]

Is that your excuse for spiritbonding and refusing to do your job? Even if other players tell you what to do?
"I'm a bad tank! You can't kick me for being a bad tank!" ...

my excuse? pls i am too lazy to sb. but i won't let you make false statements about how you can vote kick players because you don't like how they play or what they do.

[Nekodar]

my excuse? pls i am too lazy to sb. but i won't let you make false statements about how you can vote kick players because you don't like how they play or what they do.

You seem to have completely missed the point.

Scenario: PLD tank gets into group, refuses to Shield Oath and have spiritbond gear equipped... Proceeds to wipe the group repeatedly because he/she is not doing his/her job properly and is completely ignoring the other players.
According to you, it's vote kick abuse if we vote kick that tank.
According to me, that's grounds for vote kick due to harassment from tank.

[ispano]

my excuse? pls i am too lazy to sb. but i won't let you make false statements about how you can vote kick players because you don't like how they play or what they do.

So, what's your solution then? If the tank isn't performing enough for them to at least progress, and they can't kick him, they have two choices as a group and alliance. Either waste the entire time wiping, or vote abandon. You consider those acceptable compared to weeding out the problem?

[Musashidon]

So, what's your solution then? If the tank isn't performing enough for them to at least progress, and they can't kick him, they have two choices as a group and alliance. Either waste the entire time wiping, or vote abandon. You consider those acceptable compared to weeding out the problem?

take the penalty, weeding out the problem? the problems you only you care.

until se says you have all right to treat bad players horribly you are the problem not them.

[Nekodar]

take the penalty, weeding out the problem? the problems you only you care.

until se says you have all right to treat bad players horribly you are the problem not them.

There is a clear difference between actually "being bad but actually trying to do the job", and "intentionally refusing to do the job".

FYI, I haven't once asked for the first case tank to be kicked, or initiated vote kick of such a player.
For the second case I have initiated vote kick once and asked for it for another. In both cases after repeated wipes with the tank refusing to listen.