2.3 Frontline What do we know?

[Rawk]

it's like you guys would be happier if they would scrap Frontlines

We WANT future updates in PvP, and we're all super excited for frontlines and have been for a long long while. That's the point. I mean it's not even too much to ask for a second or third arena in wolves den just to mix it up, instead we got promises of the long awaited frontlines. It's also fair to ask that our hard earned pvp gear plays into affect. You agree'd with me when I said morale is overrated (because it is), and we're not asking to be pvp gods. We're simply asking that our pvp gear matters, because we worked hard for it. We are suggesting compromises such as making ilvl70 gear accessable to new players, easier rank ups ect. We'll also still all play frontlines and stomp newbs because of our ranks (abilities) and our knowledge of pvp. We've also suggested compromises as removing morale but only if they add an additional stat to pvp to make it worth it to wear pvp gear in pvp.

[Ragecake]

PvP is the exact same.

Speak for yourself! I would pvp because it's fun!

Of course there needs to be progression in pve: it's a pve oriented game.

[Shake0615]

I don't know where's all this "QQ can't pwn noobs with my gear" is coming from...

There's been one person, maybe two people, who feel that way but the above quote is mostly a strawman. The majority here complaining about the gear aren't complaining because they can't pwn noobs - they're complaining because without morale the gear they worked for is less effective than the PvE counterparts. And I completely understand that. My item level is 76 so I'm just getting started with PvP gear, but that doesn't mean I think the people who have more stake in this than I should get the shaft.

[Nalien]

Demand rank 25 to enter frontlines doesn't work because the most population in datacenter haven't that rank at start 2.3. Then, frontlines will be exclusive.

Again, make the grind to r25 less ridiculous and this problem goes away.

Everyone is excited for Frontlines. No one would want to grind Wolves Den to r25 currently. Fix the grind and everything falls into place, but again, SE is refusing to address the grind for some reason.

Also, does anyone else remember when the new PvP armor hit and Yoshida said it was in preparation for current PvPers to get ready for Frontlines? Yeah... Thanks for that Yoshida...

[Rawk]

I completely agree. It's a great marketing strategy for PvP in this game to get new players interested, and YES, they're going to make improvements to PvP as a whole in the future.

I have been way too excited for Frontlines for a long long long time. Pretty much since they said it would come. I enjoyed wolves den too. but now after all this time waiting, we finally get it, and our pvp gear doesn't matter. So why do I want to wait another 6 months or a year for my gear to matter? It's kind of like saying "Oh yeah the new coil 3, you can't use any of your new gear and will be synced to ilvl80. We may update this in the future, but first we want new players to experience the new coil 3 at the same time as the dedicated players. In the future, instead of echo we will just lift the ilvl restriction, so you can go back and play old content with your gear that you earned. You will gain sold tomes, but there will be no new gear drops in coil 3"

[Ragecake]

We're simply asking that our pvp gear matters, because we worked hard for it.

I don't understand how you guys honestly think PvP gear doesn't matter. I mean, it looks cool and it's a bit broken in Wolf's Den.

Of course it won't matter in Frontlines, but it still matters in other aspecs.

It'll more than likely be useful in future arenas and battlegrounds.

[Rin23]

Why does PvP need progression? It doesn't do much besides segregate the PvP player base and make it less appealing to new players.

No chest in coil ! you will see if someone go in coil then .

[Nalien]

Of course it won't matter in Frontlines, but it still matters in other aspect.

ftfy. (grammar be damned, I'm tired)

It still matters in aspect, singular.

It matters in Lv50 Wolves Den and that is it. The same piece of content the people who have the gear have been grinding since it was added.

It's like adding endgame activities and then telling us that our gear will only matter for Levequests...

[Shake0615]

Speak for yourself! I would pvp because it's fun!

Of course there needs to be progression in pve: it's a pve oriented game.

I PvP because it's fun as well, but part of that fun is making tangible progress on a gear treadmill. It gives me something to look forward to at the end of a match, that my time spent there is not only fun in the moment but there's a long term purpose behind it. You can't deny that the majority of MMOs on the market offer gear as a source of progression for both PvE and PvP because that's just how games are designed. And frankly I'm getting wearisome of the notion that "FFXIV is just different! It's a PvP-oriented game so there's no need to invest time in making progression for PvP!" It's ridiculous that anyone would hold the position that we should offer less content in an MMO. I'm all for making PvP accessible to all, but not at the cost of removing progression from the equation entirely!

It'll more than likely be useful in future arenas and battlegrounds.

You may not be tired of their mantra "Please look forward to it!" but I am sick of it because it's a lame-ass attempt to dodge the community's concerns and not be held accountable for piss-poor implementation.

[Rawk]

I don't understand how you guys honestly think PvP gear doesn't matter. I mean, it looks cool and it's a bit broken in Wolf's Den.

Of course it won't matter in Frontlines, but it still matters in other aspecs.

It'll more than likely be useful in future arenas and battlegrounds.

We're specifically talking about Frontlines here. When we say "gear doesn't matter" it's on the topic of Frontlines and we mean it that way. My gear already matters in wolves den, and I still play it. That's not the topic at hand. There's brand new pvp mode that we've been waiting on and we cannot use our pvp gear in a pvp game mode. Instead if we want it to matter then we have to play the old content. We're not even asking to keep morale per say, just make it so our pvp gear is better than pve gear because wouldn't that make sense?