2.3 Frontline What do we know?

**givemeraptors** · 07-03-2014 05:24 AM

You don't have to play on the same team as your friends.
You can play against them and have fun still too:
"HA, just dinged you with Fester!"

Just sayin'.

**Nestama** · 07-06-2014 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by givemeraptors

You don't have to play on the same team as your friends.
You can play against them and have fun still too:
"HA, just dinged you with Fester!"

Just sayin'.

So long as you have a voice chat, of course :P

**iro43** · 07-07-2014 01:43 AM

They want to restrict Frontlines to GC allegiance? Fine, it's more than easy enough to switch. But there is no foreseeable reason why PvP rank should be attached to your GC, absolutely none.

**Marius** · 07-03-2014 08:01 AM

You know, Frontline information was first announced in June 2013 and subsequent info after that. They stated it was going to be GC vs GC numerous times. I know that doesn't mean much to people that recently joined and have been doing pvp, but if you were interested in frontlines you should of been following it. They gave us numerous info about since then. You can't get mad at them for making it GC vs GC vs GC only cause the information was already out there. If you were interested in frontlines like I was when I first heard about it, I made sure my friends switched to the same GC. That's like buying a ticket to a show that's a city away from you, and you getting upset as the closer it gets to the time you can't get to the city, when you knew it wasn't in your city.

What sucks is that if you are invested in a GC and your friends are not. It was too much of a grind to get higher ranks because of high pvp que times. Hopefully frontlines will make it so you get pvp much faster to rank up. Even in that instance they stated morale will have no effect in frontlines so even if you don't have pvp gear you wont be at such a huge disadvantage minus abilities. They also said that if there isn't enough people they will make it so it could be 16 vs 16 vs 16 or 8 vs 8 vs 8 so that should help the que times for GC's with low population and make it better for everyone overall to earn marks and experience quickly. Hopefully....But no reason to get all bent out of shape now. Pretty much in the final stages of it so we will just have to wait and see.

**Pibz** · 07-03-2014 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Marius

but if you were interested in frontlines you should of been following it. They gave us numerous info about since then. You can't get mad at them for making it GC vs GC vs GC only cause the information was already out there.

They never said you'd be restricted to playing for your own GC team, neither that you wouldn't be able to queue for whatever GC your party leader is aligned to.
Something being predictable =/= it being a good idea. Oh and i did post it on the forums a while back, some people thought that it wouldn't happen because yeah.. bad idea.
Again, they're sacrificing simplicity and elegance in the queue system for fluff "lore" that nearly no one really cares about - because when you are fighting you are totally thinking how you are serving your imaginary allegiance which you can switch every 15 days now...

**Marius** · 07-04-2014 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by Pibz

They never said you'd be restricted to playing for your own GC team, neither that you wouldn't be able to queue for whatever GC your party leader is aligned to.
Something being predictable =/= it being a good idea. Oh and i did post it on the forums a while back, some people thought that it wouldn't happen because yeah.. bad idea.
Again, they're sacrificing simplicity and elegance in the queue system for fluff "lore" that nearly no one really cares about - because when you are fighting you are totally thinking how you are serving your imaginary allegiance which you can switch every 15 days now...

They didn't specifically say you will not be able to team with others in a different GC, but with them just reiterating that it would be GC vs GC vs GC since the beginning of the year, you can pretty much know that you would be limited to that. What sense would it make to pvp on the same team as someone in a different GC, when the whole point of Frontlines would be GC vs GC vs GC. The give in was when he was saying it would be similar to realm vs realm from previous pvp games. You can't join another realm to fight against your own (most pvp in mmos, not all I.E. Rift for example). I don't recall them ever mentioning about the party leader queing for frontlines. That was released fairly recently.

"Lore" is a big draw for many people, maybe not to you, but you can't speak about everyone saying no one really cares about it. I care about the lore of the game. Saying being able to change your allegiance just for the sake of being snarky doesn't doesn't impact the lore of the game. You should be happy they are at least allowing people to switch GC's. What if they made it so you couldn't? Would you be happy then for the sake of lore?

**Pibz** · 07-04-2014 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Marius

"Lore" is a big draw for many people, maybe not to you, but you can't speak about everyone saying no one really cares about it. I care about the lore of the game. Saying being able to change your allegiance just for the sake of being snarky doesn't doesn't impact the lore of the game. You should be happy they are at least allowing people to switch GC's. What if they made it so you couldn't? Would you be happy then for the sake of lore?

Yes i would, there would at least be some consistency to the whole "its because of lore" point.

This whole thing just seems like a failed attempt to replicate what other games have done with faction PvP, which made sense there since, you know, you are locked into your faction and everyone you will ever play with is in that faction and the factions are usually at war.
Oh and some of these games actually have systems that allow players from other factions to play for other factions on a given match(the system decides it of course) if one faction's population is too small. Not to mention the whole faction war is usually of more relevance for world PvP contested areas.

In this game, "factions" have always been pointless, there was never any sense of importance to your choice, nor was there any barrier to playing with people of other factions, they are even all friendly with each other...

Again if you think matchmaking system simplicity should be sacrificed for lore in PvP i rest my case, because this is the only argument people defending it can come up with, other than "it was predictable", and it's pretty much irrelevant.

You can also say i don't talk for everyone, but i guarantee you most people who are interested in PvPing don't care about lore while doing it. Not to mention again that there will probably be none aside from the initial quests and you fighting for your temporary allegiance.

Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Honestly SE shouldn't cater to the % that will only do it to get their mounts and will shortly quit FL after. I mean if you couldn't even get into WD pvp and have a good time then what makes you think changes to the gc restrictions will help?

Actually, most of the people who played a lot in wolves den, and have actually been pvping no matter how cumbersome, are the ones asking for no restrictions because they have been waiting for some love to pvp for quite some months and now that we are finally getting some, one flaw is evident - it gets pointed out.

As a note, regardless of them ever changing this i don't think it will make or break frontlines but the idea is to have it as optimal as possible.
I'm also not just "protesting frontlines", i like the core ideas and more importantly the measures they have taken for accessibility(like ilvl sync and free abilities for example ), which is what makes the gc restriction thing so baffling to me.

**Ragecake** · 07-04-2014 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Marius

You know, Frontline information was first announced in June 2013 and subsequent info after that. They stated it was going to be GC vs GC numerous times... They gave us numerous info about since then. You can't get mad at them for making it GC vs GC vs GC only cause the information was already out there.

Absolutely correct. This is why I personally am not maximum overrustled over the faction based PvP. It's unfair to SE to be upset, because WE KNEW! But hey, it's the forums. Gotta complain about something trivial right?

Originally Posted by Marius

What sucks is that if you are invested in a GC and your friends are not. It was too much of a grind to get higher ranks because of high pvp que times. Hopefully frontlines will make it so you get pvp much faster to rank up.

This is what I'm expecting. My prediction is that they're going to buff the xp/marks rate gain in some way, so it doesn't feel so bad for switching out of a GC where you have R40.

Originally Posted by Marius

Hopefully....But no reason to get all bent out of shape now. Pretty much in the final stages of it so we will just have to wait and see.

That's the main purpose of THESE forums: to complain about content before it comes out. I'll hold my fire until after I experience the content first hand.

**Yumi_umi** · 07-04-2014 12:39 AM

All this woe is me attitude should just stop now.
I swear the # of ppl on these forums complaining about frontlines is like twice the population of the current pvp community.
I mean where did u guys all come from? Lol
I may not pvp as much anymore but i still like to post in some pvp threads about healer stuff etc and not just QQ threads about gc restriction.
Honestly SE shouldn't cater to the % that will only do it to get their mounts and will shortly quit FL after. I mean if you couldn't even get into WD pvp and have a good time then what makes you think changes to the gc restrictions will help?
No more suggestions for allowing to change gcs plz. If SE gave a damn they would have said something about we'll keep a close eye on how well FL is doing after the launch or something.

**TornadoFury** · 07-04-2014 10:45 PM

anyone else not going to try this until they make it a easy way to play with your friends?

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