Delay the Rogue/Ninja class till expansion.

[Vahlnir]

If people want more tanks then they should consider being less abusive to the current stock.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...h-level-haters.....

As of right now the only thing that adding more tank classes would do is diversify the current stock of tanks, you wouldnt see more tanks, just less pld/war.

To be fair, I see a lot of tanks being the ones instigating a conflict. Even when people offer them advice it's pretty much "my way or the highway" in their minds. Some people take a tank, which is also a sort of leader for the party wayyy too seriously. Now, I'm not saying they are the culprits, but some don't help the situation being the very problem you seem to think they have. Some of it comes down to the community in general, though. People expect perfection so they deride a tank for performing below their expectations, which would probably make them defensive by nature, I get that and I probably couldn't blame them either. That said, it's an issue that spans across all roles/jobs/levels.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Reading over after my own argument with him, I can respect the OPs view on the current situation, and see how it's a valid argument. However, I see it from Yoshi-P's point of view as well, as producer and director. FFXIV: ARR is now one of the top leading MMOs out there, if we are going by subscription numbers. So now, he has to act based on this fact.

The dynamic in a typical MMO has always had a rogue/stealth type class. Even more so, the rogue/stealth class is usually one of the more popular ones alongside ranged dps. It would make more sense for him as director to fill this niche as soon as possible, so that players do have that variety and that choice. It also means he can now plan and balance content that adds this new dynamic into the mix. It's a win-win for everyone involved.

The OP comes from the stance that, it will unbalance the order of things because it is a new class; not only is a DPS class, which is most favorable to players, but it's also quite possibly the only job to be added in the interim between 2.4 and the expansion. Also it's a freaking Ninja job, who doesn't like Ninja? To this end, he fears that tanks and healers will outright abandon their roles to flip out and kill things as Ninja. I do believe at this current time and by 2.4 people won't do this enmasse, but it will just be a time period of Ninja leveling esctasy, which will likely last no more than 2 months, then everything goes to normal and order is restored.

I'm glad I can understand the OPs sentiments, but Yoshi-P's stance overtakes this one.

I think 2 months is a bit too much. Sadly it will dissapear soon because the whole experience will be atrocious. Which is as i said before, low standars gamers bring on themselves. Just because instant gratification.

Well here is the thing that gets me about the whole "Add more tank" thing. People expect OTHERS to play tank which isn't going to help when everyone thinks this way (yes am aware some do like playing tank just not majority). They could add 15 tank classes right now and ninja i would as well as 80%+ of people still start off with playing ninja, so how does that help anything? its just the way it is nothing can ever fix it.

If they add 1 tank alone it will also hurt the DF and the class balance. The point is not adding classes alone, not only that, adding classes which are equally appealing to the player base from the iconic FF classes.

I fail to understand how having ROG/NIN pushed back to the expansion will help with queues, UNLESS you're leveling a lowbie or one of said new jobs. It's not like the new tank or healer class is going to be insta-(whatever the max level will be). People that are complaining about "end" game queue times will STILL have super long queue times. There is absolutely ZERO correlation with pushing a new DPS class back to coincide with any other new class that will help alleviate a majority of people's complaints with queue times...none.

You have 10 people. Those 10 people are already tired of the same flavor candy. So you offer them 1 new flavor candy. How many people will go after that 1 new flavor? Most of them.
Now, if instead of 1 new flavor you add 3 new flavors, that "most of them" will spread between the new flavors and not just go for the only new one.

Players will play what they want? BUT OF COURSE! but, if you add variety of choices, players can move between choices and not just rush a single one and make what is supposed to be a good, fun and satisfactory experience in something to better be forgotten.

[Abraxis]

If people want more tanks then they should consider being less abusive to the current stock.
As of right now the only thing that adding more tank classes would do is diversify the current stock of tanks, you wouldnt see more tanks, just less pld/war.

Holy balls! So much truth it hurts. It doesn't matter WHAT you call the next tank class, if people are douche mountains and cause the current tank player base to dislike/hate/fear or in any other way not want to queue up, the queue timer will not change. In fact, if the "elitists" and arseholes continue to belittle and bring on the vitriol, you'll have to wait even longer, because you'll be losing even more tanks that bother to queue, they'll be exclusive to their server, FC or just not bother.

This is also in no way saying that current tanks flex that digi-wang and pretend that your milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. Be civil, is that so hard? Well i'm sure some of you would say yes, if that's the case...seek help.

[Amused]

<Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.>

[Mariel_Crystallie]

Everyone that is saying no here: don't come crying when your queue times are 1 hour or longer lolol.

ohh.. so leveling only via dungeon??... lol to you then...

FATE , Leve , Quest... helllooo??? they gone?? lol really ... before the roullete ever exist... before the exp from dungeon got boosted... we all leveling via FATE / Leve / Quest.. please don't make people think you can only gain level via dungeons ... rofl

[Kinseykinz]

OMG!! you're fears are validated.... :P Just look at this Random Trial Duty Roulette I did today.



And for those counting, technically that was 6x ACN in one group (2sch/4smn) Random Duty Roulette Party....we one shotted it and laughed our asses off. Because sometimes it's fun to see 'OMG look at all the SMN'S!' ....and we all know the game is currently balanced enough that this shouldn't be a normal occurence.

No one waited longer than normal for their queue.
We all had a blast.

Sounds successful enough right?

[Dano]

I'm struggling to understand how the majority of posters in this thread can be so frigging short-sighted. Who do they think is going to tank and heal the parties they plan on mass-levelling their ninjas in because by that time pretty much everyone will have those jobs levelled and have zero intention of playing them. The queue times are going to be sickening when everyone and their dog is sitting on their shiny new DD class and QQ'ing because they're facing 90+ minute waits for Sastasha onwards.

Maybe S-E will come up with an ingenious solution like rewarding players with a minion for tanking Coil 2 onwards...

who says you can only level from DF/dungeons?

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dat class stacking

[Pibz]

Most ridiculous and "WTF IS THIS" thread yet.
Just goes to show that MMO communities will come out with a thread complaining about every single addition to a game. But this one definitely takes the prize.

[wicked-one]

Hey, remember when that online video game petition actually caused something to happen?
Neither do I.

Haha, same came to my mind...

This forum is so predictable, SE announces/introduces something, the very next moment some "Petition against"-Thread pops up...

[Rustyhagun]

@OP

You all forget that Yoshi himself said that the party makeup is and was eventually, supposed to be like: 2Tanks 2Healers 2PureDPS 2Hybrids(8mans, adjust ratio for other party sizes). I have a feeling party layout is going to change to reflect ninja coming out, and the Duty finder wont be as bad as people thinks.

On a side note, after reading some post for this topic. The only way to truly balance this out with ninja coming out, would be to have Samurai( which is obviously going to be a tank) come out the same time or between 2.3 -2.4. This would solve all issues. As I know I would be main'n Samurai for the life-time of this game, and I wouldn't even look at ninja, even with how cool it looks.

It makes sense the more I think about it. Cuz ninja's are coming out of Doma, (doma the same city that our samurai friend from ff6, was from). There is also, the npc, that wanted you to find all the samurai scale piece for his armor. Doma seems to be the start of an Asian themed city, for this game. (knowone is even studying Samurai as the moment, it would blow minds if this actually was announced tomorrow)

Imagine he is letting us all down with the gun class, cuz we are really getting Samurai along with Ninja. and it would make sense that they both come that state of Doma.


...... today's the day we find out. ^^ make it happen Yoshi