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[Kuroyasha]

same thing again, but with added same thing

Let's break this down, step by step, because obviously paragraphed sentences are too much for you to handle.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Let's begin.

I don't know how many times we have to say the same thing over and over, you being AFK during a dungeon can be considered harassment. Period. IDGAF if your fairy can take care of everyone. All the more reason you can DPS to help everyone accomplish their goal quicker, instead of purposely AFKing during a dungeon. I WILL NOT repeat that again, regardless of how long you care to drag out this argument.

You DGAF if the fairy can heal everyone in low level dungeon? Sch DGAF about you QQing over them not dpsing. I WILL NOT repeat that again, regardless of how long you want to drag out this argument.

Maybe you didn't mention the ToS, but it has been mentioned multiple times in this thread. "Healer isn't supposed to DPS blah blah blah." Well, this blends in to your 'expected time' statement (which will be dissected later). You flat-out establish the fact that your character needs to do absolutely nothing for your fairy to heal a low level dungeon. I "expect" you to contribute in other ways that aren't outside the realms of your individual skill. Don't try to preach horseshit and make it out to be filet mignon. And who is crying? Me? I have 100 healer friends in LS/FC that would love to replace you for 100 quick myth tomes right at the end of a dungeon. I don't cry, I act. And I already said what I do in situations such as these. I won't repeat that again either.

Idc if ToS has been mentioned multiple times in the thread. What sense would it make for me to bring other peoples’ arguments into the argument with you and argue against it as if you were the one who said it towards me? None. You expect a bonus: healer dps. Have a nice time expecting. Yes, you are QQing pretty hard. Idgaf if you have 100 healer friends in LS/FC that would love to replace me or another healer in a low level dungeon. Actually I don’t give two. QQing and acting aren’t mutually exclusive, you are a prime example.

You obviously think the analogy is dumb, because you don't understand what it means. That's ok. I won't waste my time on an English lesson. But the analogy itself is sound. All your debate about "bonus time" and "expected time" doesn't mean a damn thing to me. You are basically saying it is ok for you to do something as a healer and it is not ok for a different Job to do the same. Period.

Again, another pointless atk. I wouldn’t make a statement akin to always thinking it was dumb if I didn’t know what it really meant. Thus the response given. Waste of time. Bravo. Sch mechanics allow sch to heal low level w/o being there. Dps does not. If you follow as dps, you will do nothing but follow(outside of certain conditions being met with certain ranged in regards to an auto-atk). Again, the QQing b/c you can’t do what sch do in a small selection of dungeons. If what I say doesn’t mean a damn thing to you, then stop arguing, stop qqing, and just go play with your “100 healer friends.”

First of all, who are you to expect anything out of anyone when you yourself are blatantly fessing up to giving the absolute bare minimum? Here's your double standard. You say "DPS as a healer" is bonus time. What if I think your lucky you even grouped into a random dungeon with me? You don't deserve to expect anything out of anyone when you could care less about making a run more efficient.

Secondly, "expected time" is egregiously subjective. I have seen MNK's perform rotations in dungeons and never once re-position. That is cutting highly into your expected time. However, at least I can recognize whether or not the player is even trying, or AFK. Can offer them tips to make their rotation better, hence turning that player into a better player over time. My 'expected time' was low in the dungeon due to the loss of DPS. You can't expect anything when teaming up with random players, except for the fact that the person is ACTUALLY THERE.

Which you are not.

The absolute bare-minimum of a healer is healing. Eos can efficiently and effectively heal the low-level b4 brayflox, as the run will not slow to a crawl from them only healing. A dps cannot do the same. A tank cannot do the same. SMN could do what sch do and only let pet atk while on follow, but that would only be fulfilling effectiveness(helping make the mob die), but not efficiency of the bare-minimum of the expected role: dps. And yes,actually Icould care less about making a run less efficient, which is why personally, I dps when I go healer in low-level(in addition to liking to dps in general being a reason). However, my argument is about people who go afk and why I don’t have a problem with it. And please, if you’re going to try to atk my intel about analogies/phrases, at least use yours correctly. “Couldn’t care less” is what you were looking for, despite the mistake being somewhat common.

*Sigh* Efficient and effective fundamental role fulfillment. That has been the underlying theme. You have acknowledged that you are aware that is the theme with previous statements. Now you are bringing in arguments by isolating part of my argument, not taking into account the underlying theme, or the context, and then presenting an example to support your isolation. Who cares if you’ve seen bad dps, bad tanks, etc. Who cares if you can give tips on being better. The argument was about efficient and effective fundamental role fulfillment, meaning that we(if we are healing) are grouped with competent party members. Thus, I have always been talking about expected time given that theme is being fulfilled. There is a range of expected time, which will change based on the layout/difficulty of a dungeon(say Copperbell vs Stone Vigil), it takes given that theme is met. That time will get better,thus bonus time, if the healer decides to dps. That time will remain in the expected if he/she does not.

Clearly you can expect something from random players. That person has full allagan gear? Good they’ve been through at least 1st coil, so they should be able to tank/dps this competently . Oh this person has multiple 50s? At the very least I expect them to know the relative simple mechanics of bosses. Oh this one has all 50s? Then they know this dungeon like the back of their hand. Hm this search info for this dps says he/she was server first in second coil t8, with both a melee and ranged being high ilvl; So I can expect this dps to basically yawn through this easy low-level, where combos/rotations are very small/simple. Expectations can be set quite easily in low-level roulette.