NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Bigpurpleharness]

Stuff

Steal-Stats (STR/DEX/INT/etc)
Steal-Attributes (Evasion/Accuracy/Defense/Attack)
Stealth attacks
Mug (Increases party gil drop by a minor amount of inflicts damage)
Trick Attack (Deals increased damage for next ability and transfers hate to party member)

I could go on, and all of these are just from two FF titles. I'd argue your "NIN as a tank is ludicrous!" line is in fact more ludicrous than "Thieves wouldn't be welcome in a city of sea-thieves in a world that encourages dark arts users, thievery already, assassinations, and will literally in the same patch put in a class that is pretty much always described lore-wise as unethical assassins. There's precedent for one, there is no precedent and (evidence to the contrary) for the other.

That being said, I agree they're not adding Thief. I disagree with the reasoning though. As anyone should, saying thieves wouldn't be morally acceptable with a city of literal sea-thieves being in existence, and now an assassin job is just asinine.

[Kitru]

Exactly! Just like back when SE told us about ACN and SMN and everyone thought that was it. Then we found out about SCH and everyone was really surprised.

SCH actually makes sense to add because it's explicitly different than ACN and has a completely different role. Furthermore, the *reason* they added SCH wasn't "well, SCH is a class that has appeared often" (which is the logic you're using). The reason they added SCH was because they needed another healer so that there wasn't a single option for that role. It split off of SMN because it was something of a shortcut while providing an interesting playstyle option (healer with a healing pet).

On top of this, SCH could become a healer because SCH basically had no defined role or capability in the FF series. It was, basically, a tabula rasa that they could co-opt and turn into the healer that they needed.

THF fulfills exactly *none* of those reasons. Saying that SCH sets a precedent for THF is like saying that Newton being right about Physics means that Alchemy (which, interesting fact, he focused on a *lot* more than Physics; he's just more famous for his work on Physics) is almost certainly correct.

You're using *any* justification you can find, no matter how flimsy, to avoid having to confront the pretty simple concept that we're not getting THF. At this point, you're just proving how obtuse you're willing to get to avoid being wrong.

[LoLo]

He said they stopped being thieves. It's not as if thievery is some kind of ancient tradecraft and basically said that it's not a heroic pursuit (not to mention pointing out that it has to fit within the story of the world). For all intents and purposes, he has said "nope, THF ain't happening".

Zidane Tribal isn't heroic?

[LoLo]

Please Let it Go.

The very fact that you responded proves my point. Since I didn't name anyone. At least you know you are flaming and owning it.

[MartaDemireux]

(which is the logic you're using)

You're wrong, that is not the logic I am using. The logic I am using is that because they have surprised us once before by keeping a 2nd job stemming from the same class a secret means that they could do it again this time and reveal it in a live letter just like last time or more likely at Fanfest.

THF has historically (as much as you may like to discount XI, it is still FF history) had control of enmity management (such as directly stealing 25-50% of another player's enmity to raise their own) and has been sturdier than NIN from a stat perspective in almost every title they appeared together. Yes, thematically THF has avoided battles with Flee but thievery in itself thematically draws ire. Do you like people that steal from you? Whether that is a physical item, prestige, a job, an idea etc. I'd bet that you wouldn't like it. That alone is good enough reason in my opinion for supporting a Thief tank. Having Rogue tank is also a staple niche in just about every MMO which is also missing from FFXIV.

There is also the new Hybrid role to make a future appearance which it could also fill via support as Bigpurpleharness has expressed.

[LoLo]

Thief tank? I can't with this thread anymore lol

[Bigpurpleharness]

Zidane Tribal isn't heroic?

Apparently Locke, Ruben, Zidane, and if you listen to some people, Edge and Yuffie are all not heroes. Which is news to me. (Also excluding, I, III, V, X-2, etc since the job systems are more fluid)

[Heavy01Mk2]

So you want a politician class?

yes, only if i can rig elections and bribe people.

[Keres]

Locke

We all know Locke isn't a thief.

[Bigpurpleharness]

We all know Locke isn't a thief.

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