The Cutscene Skipping Debate - Change of View

[OPneedNerfs]

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The queuetime argument was against people saying the roilette bonuses are negligible or even if cutscenes were made unskippable, they'd still do it.

Your post actually proves this point further by saying if people want faster tomes, just do bray sr. With roulette bonuses and skipping of cutscenes and maybe speedrunning them, cm and prae could turn out to be more tome efficient. However, if anything was done to the tome rewards or time taken to finish said dungeons, more people will gravitate towards bray sr for their tomes.

That ends up with the queuetimes getting longer for newer players. It just isn't happening yet as nothing is done nor can be done to discourage cutscene skipping.

[Mahri]

I leveled a tank so I can go to Castrum and Praetorium and tell everyone of those speed runners to wait for the 1st-timers. I queue main scenario roulette regularly to do exactly that. And it is like a 1 in 20 chance that I get a 1st-timer, the other 19 times I get fast myths, so you are really get 19x the rewards to sit thru the cutscenes once. This deal is more than fair and you still can't care about that 1st-timere. Talk about elitist attitudes! Taking everything and everyone else for granted.

Same. It's a shame that being a tank is practically required if you want to get the most out of story dungeons (or help out others who do), but so be it.

I don't have a problem if a whole group wants to do a speed run -- and in fact, they can be pretty fun to do.

But, if someone's new, I'll always call that out first and let them decide if we should go fast or go easy. This is basic courtesy.

[Farah]

I don't mind cutscenes with new players. It gives me a chance to rebuff people with stuff like stoneskin. I can also type out the boss fight explanations while they watch the cutscene, so that when the newbies get out they have the information they need.

I think if people want to continue the run while someone watches a cutscene that is their choice. What I don't like is people being hostile about it. There is no reason to be rude. I understand having to run dungeons for all the myth needed for animus is annoying, but that isn't an excuse to yell at new players. You can ask them to please skip cutscenes if you are in that much of a hurry. Ask, don't go "OMG SKIP THE CS YOU NEWB!!!"

That is the only thing that bothers me. I join lower level dungeons a lot to help out. I've run into a lot of good new players that just need a bit of direction. I only get a bad new player once in a blue moon. Like yesterday during chimera it was a new tank so me (healer) and my friend (warrior tank) tried to help him out with positioning and he just screamed at us.

Anyway I'm getting off topic now but yeah, I don't mind people skipping cutscenes and continuing the run just don't be hostile towards those watching them.

Oh also, about the mentoring. I feel their shouldn't be a reward more then just the points. If their is a reward, people would only do it for the reward rather than helping the player. Kind of like how people did commendation farming just for the reward. Only keep the points so that people can see how helpful someone can be as a mentor. I think that is enough satisfaction for people who are actually trying to help.

[Foo01]

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Your post actually proves this point further by saying if people want faster tomes, just do bray sr. .

19 out of 20 times you can be more efficient with CM or Pratorium, people will still do it. Beside most new level 50s can't run Bray SR even if they wanted to. So for a while they will do that just time. My point in no way says people will all run Brayflox SR. People want to change things up at times, want different mix. DR is roulette. the odds of you landing a 1st-timer is like 1 in 20, good odds in favor of the gambler.

Just to be I am not against the speedrun, nor am I asking for cutscenes to be mandatory all the time. The only tweak that is needed is the 1st-timer no skip. That happens less than 5% of the time, but it is a world of difference for the 1st-timer. Nobody is going to fuss after they've seen it once and can access it in the inn to review to their hearts content. The problem is the speed runners forcing speed run on everyone all the time ignoring the fact that for that 5% odds you got a 1st-timer. Be nice to the new guy, getting new players help keep the game alive and helps it grow. The other 95% of the time you get quick myths that gets taken for granted.

[LalaRu]

As long as the thread turned to a discussion about what DF is, let's face the facts.

- DF is a tool to create parties.
- it is written nowhere it is intended for newbie's sake
- on other side, it is written nowhere it is intended for veteran's sake

So, DF is just a game tool, that everyone uses for any reason, and no reason is more or less legit than another. So, unless SE states something about it, we cannot say the use of DF must enforce one rule or another.

There are players who:
1- enjoy cutscenes only the first time, then want skip them if doing same duty again
2- enjoy cutscenes always
3- always skip cutscenes
4- skip them but have no problems on wait players viewing them

Type 4 is out our discussion, they just don't care if cs or not cs.

The only problem to address is when a party have type 2 and 3 (and 1 on repeating duty) mixed together.

As things are now, with the fact that kicking out players for watching cutscenes is a bannable conduct, the only thing you all can do when someone watch a cs, is either wait him, or go ahead.

Waiting others, is something that is part of "living in a community", a thing that some people have problems to do, but they must adapt to. Waiting someone watching a cs, is the same as waiting in queue in a public office, or somewhere else.

When you want make things fast but at the office there is someone slow ahead you, you just call it bad luck and wait. The same is with duty parties, if you get mixed you call it bad luck and wait.

Shouting frustration on forum about the bad luck of finding bad people on DF parties, maybe can distress the shouting one, but does solve nothing.

[Foo01]

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- it is written nowhere it is intended for newbie's sake
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It is not written because it does NOT have to be. And everyone gets something out of the DF anyways, all those bonus reward being taken for granted are not accessible to the newbie. It doesn't take a genius to know why that is incentivised that way. A reward to experienced players to help the newbie, only that 19 out 20 times there is no newbie/1st-timer and people still get the freebie reward.

Additional bait can be used to encourage people to watch cutscene, like rolls for loot drops that include a change for iLevel50 gear or something, these drops are only available for need or greed for players that watch the cutscenes, those that skip are treated as a pass.

[Raestloz]

You're assuming that DF was originally designed to help first timers, and that it is supposed to be. I don't think so. Remember: first timers only get called first timers once. When you're leveling your gajillionth class, even if you're level 1 you're no longer a first timer, but you still would have to be able to queue for lower level dungeons if you want it that way. I'd seriously say that's the intent. FATE is a fecal mistress.

Hell, add additional tomes when you watch the cutscene in full, done and done, everyone's happy

[Ghastly]

I love all of these game's cut-scenes, therefore I need to play them . If people wipe too bad for them for not ready-checking.

[Hybris-Maenad]

The CS watchers defenders don't want others to "take it slow". They want others to stop playing. "Taking it slow" to me, is playing (as in DOING something) at a slow pace, not speed running. But it does not mean not playing at all, or standing around.

Your statement has about as much weight as people complaining about the relic weapons. Don't want to waste your time? Then DON'T. This game gives you plenty of alternatives to the measly 100 myth this roulette gives that can be farmed in half the time outside of roulette. Quit queuing up for something you don't enjoy.

[SirSaber]

So much text in here for something so small :

Older players enabled cutscene skip > good
New players didn't and see the cutscenes > tell them about the cutscene skipper, maybe they don't know.
If they're 1st timers > leave them alone.

There ! Problem solved !
Now let's go look at those sweet ninja screenshots!