Today i throw away all the atma

[ShinkuTachi]

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This can be argued as one of the reasons SE won't be touching the Atma drop rate for 2.3, because more people than expected have acquired an Atma or Animus weapon. Which can also be used to argue that the forum complainers here are an insignificant minority of the userbase; and, that a larger portion of the userbase either enjoys, doesn't mind, or is at least willing to do the Relic content.

It goes on further to show that the OP (assuming he isn't just trolling), is putting on this show in vain.

[raelgun]

This can be argued as one of the reasons SE won't be touching the Atma drop rate for 2.3, because more people than expected have acquired an Atma or Animus weapon. Which can also be used to argue that the forum complainers here are an insignificant minority of the userbase; and, that a larger portion of the userbase either enjoys, doesn't mind, or is at least willing to do the Relic content.

It goes on further to show that the OP (assuming he isn't just trolling), is putting on this show in vain.

its the argument to be used in continuing design choices, but some may like the grind, some may feel compelled that they need this, in the assumption it was going to be the best weapon and not fall behind, a large part imo is this, people dont like falling behind, this compels them more, id say a large part hate the grind, mean you dont get this amount of posts that hate the grind.

[ShinkuTachi]

its the argument to be used in continuing design choices, but some may like the grind, some may feel compelled that they need this, in the assumption it was going to be the best weapon and not fall behind, a large part imo is this, people dont like falling behind, this compels them more, id say a large part hate the grind, mean you dont get this amount of posts that hate the grind.

Sure you could say a majority of people hate the grind, but what I see in the forums is mostly the same people posting over and over again. All that is neither here nor there though. As you said in the post I quoted before, the data has spoken.

If I may speak for myself, I personally like time sinks.

[Luxx]

I'm curious to know who actually LIKES this crap.
I think there was one topic about it, probably got took over about topics who dislike it. I still have a hard time believing people
actually enjoy it. The ones who do, probably got their Atma's in a week or less of their grind and had RNG God's praise them.
Now tell me if you like you began since 2.2 and still haven't gotten it lol. The people who are in-game
are either just silent about it, probably like it, or forcing themselves to do it. I've yet to met ones who did.
From what I seen in-game. My FC/LS were moaning and groaning for the most part and forced themselves to do it.
Since it was really boring...I was advised to watch a series as I grind lmao.

[Xatsh]

I'm curious to know who actually LIKES this crap.

Honestly I would like to hear this as well. I feel this is SE's attempt at giving the hardcore people with tons of playtime something to do, but as one of them myself and speaking for half my guild who is in the same boat they are way way way way off the mark. We as hardcore players and players of EQ and XI despise the current relic weapon quest.


The grind would be fine but the rewards are not worth the time required for investment. The 2nd issue is the majority of it is solo based which is also bad for any endgame content. And last of all the weapons are subpar even after requiring all that grinding. I feel SE is doing really well for the casual content in this game for that section of the players base they are the ones obviously enjoying the game the most, but they are at the level of epic fail for the hardcore base.

The problem is they are limiting themselves with how they do gear. They are bound by only primary stats, nothing unique. And the Ilvl trap which has ruined every mmo that implemented it.

For the hardcores..

The I110 weapon from 2nd coil is easier to obtain and only marginally weaker.... and honestly you can beat turn 9 with I100 weapons so you do not even need I 110 weapons.

So the novus weapon on the day it was released was already negated by better and easier to obtain weapons in game.

So what is the point of putting in all that work for a weapon that is weaker or only marginally better then weapon which are easier to obtain.

This is what SE does not understand with their development.. Hardcore or even Oldschool mmos players who loved the grind will not do it if it is pointless in the end. Relics in XI took the average person 2-3yrs to get... they only did that because they were the best weapon in the game until abysea (which is why alot of endgame left). If they would of been negated in 9months they would of not bothered at all with it. Work is only worth it if it is long term reward. Which means longer then a year.

The novus weapon will be entree level gear in Patch 2.4. So why the hell should we spend all this time on it when we can get something almost as good with 1/4th the work now or we can wait 6 months and buy a crafter weapon that is equal in strength or kill a pathetic primal which will drop I115 weapons? Seriously why would anyone do this? That is the problem with XIV's endgame development. Same thing with the new dungeons I will bet my character they only drop Ilvl 70 stuff and the same myth and sold as blayflox... IF I am right why would anyone want to do them over something that gives equal rewards with less effort?

SE is doing the carrot on a stick but the carrot is a toy and they forgot the string. So people are getting the fake carrot and getting pissed it is made of plastic.