Relic quest summary -> Good by to casuals

[Yukiko]

Serious question. So like someone said, I cant see myself doing this on every alt..if I wanna play a diff class alot though without grinding my relic what weapon do I go with then? Like as of current patch do I grind Levi for the weapon drop and that is what is current?

Good luck to get the mirror for your alts, its already hard enough to get one for the main...

[Madoka]

The relic grind is a time sink for the players without the skill or drive to finish coil.

If a player attempting coil might take 2 months to down T9 and longer for their weapon to drop, why shouldn't someone taking the easy route have to wait 2 months to get a nearly equal ilvl weapon? If you want something faster finish T7 and 8. Quit bitching about time sinks being time sinks.

[Havocwing]

Haven't started the novus portion yet so idk, but if what OP says is true odds are by the time people finish the upgrade the next coil will be out and better stuff will be available anyway >_>

[Goodberry]

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Relic weapon : 1 dungeon, 3 primals, 2 trials, long quest -> 1-2 days
Zenith Weapon : 900 Myth -> 2-3 days
Atma : 20-30h Fate grind -> A week or 2 of only grinding
Animus : 13500 Myth -> About a month or 2 depending on your grind
Novus : 60000 Myth OR 75 days of map -> 75++ Days if doing daily quest + materia melding failure wasted days

In my case, I don't even have Animus yet, getting novus will take approx 150 days as i don't play everyday. If I start now, novus will be my christmas gift

Conclusion : The relic weapon quest is ABSOLUTLY NOT for casual anymore.... /wave casual. As a semi casual 10h++ a week. I think it's a /Goodbye relic-novus-whatever after novus quest

P.S I'm wondering who will really attempts novus quest except hardcores

That's the reason I'm sticking to my puny Mog gloves. The moment it will be impossible to me to play the game due to that, I'll quit the game. :P

[Divine_Intervention]

The whole casual vs hardcore definition is down to personal interpretation. I put in more hours than the "casual gamer", but i'm not a hardcore player. I take my time with other aspects of the game. I do dungeons when i can be bothered, I love to craft, I'll FATE grind when i feel like it.

Ultimately the whole argument comes down to one question - How much do you want the uprades?
I've got the Step 1 of my Relic, chances are at some point down the line i WILL do the upgrades. I won't go grindfest crazy on them, i'll do them a bit at a time, not burn myself out on it all. Will new weapons be out by the time i do the Novus? Probably, makes no difference to me.

It's all about the game. Why race everyone else, take your time, enjoy your game. Only person that loses out when you clear all the content that's currently out, is yourself.

[Ryans]

Why can't "hardcore" (I don't actually believe there are more than a handful of actual hardcore players per server. I think it'd be more accurate to say avid gamers. People who have the time to play, but aren't attack drones programmed with one goal of clearing the hardest content as fast as possible) have something to spend their time doing? Casuals can go from Relic to Zenith to Leviathan to Weathered Soldiery to 110 Soldiery to High Allagan. It's a natural progression that can easily be done in stages over a few months. The end result is still High Allagan so I guess all this talk about Novus is moot anyways.

[Karnyboy]

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Thanks, but I don't NEED enlightenment. I got by just fine with a Zenith in all content. I even dabbled into the Extremes and Coil...I'm as casual as they come and guess what? I have an animus.


On another note, I also realize some people have this desire to be pioneers, etc. Well guess what at my age after like 20 years of MMO's, you don't give a shit anymore. It's a waste of energy because half of those MMO's are still around and so is the content.

[Nero]

On another note, I also realize some people have this desire to be pioneers, etc. Well guess what at my age after like 20 years of MMO's, you don't give a shit anymore. It's a waste of energy because half of those MMO's are still around and so is the content.

True, same for me. After 2 decades of aiming and obtaining world/server first over several MMO's and always aiming to be #1 Guild/Fc, you start to not care about it anymore. I see it like driving a car; when i got my license almost 17 years ago, i always wanted to be the "king of the road". Fastest car, driving like there is no tomorrow and so on. Today i don't give a damn anymore, let those young people do what they do, i will arrive at my destinaton at the pace i want. May be a bit slower, but does not make the destination less worth.

[Gormogon]

The relic grind is a time sink for the players without the skill or drive to finish coil.

The take on relic has been unpleasant for many that take the approach since the introduction of Atma.

While there has been an increase in more ways to obtain these upgrades the end result are leading to exceedingly exaggerated level of farming & time sink in the most unpleasant fashion possible.

A lot of players that were looking forward to their Animus got their wills broken by the fact that farming the 12 pieces of atma to only give you an ilvl upgrade was gonna be painful when you had to deal with RNG and inventory issues. Then it was followed by the Animus which many players found ridiculous to have to farm that much amount of overall myth.

Novus is pushing that limit of people's tolerance by making the farm now add the possibility of having your time, money, and effort amount to a waste due to there being a % chance to succeed.

So as far as Novus goes.
Casual players and solo players are ending up punished if they take the guaranteed route since if they get Mythril Golem or Cyclops they are most likely to fail. Decent players, especially geared and have a decent chocobo on them are gonna find a hard time doing those 2 spawns as well unless they improvise and use ingenious stratagems to tackle those mobs.

Sure you can group up and tackle these maps for a guaranteed Alexandrite but players are tackling these maps solo. So getting people that prefer solo play to open up to the idea of asking for help inside and outside their FC and LS by making PF groups and waiting it out is not gonna really end well with many.

If a player attempting coil might take 2 months to down T9 and longer for their weapon to drop, why shouldn't someone taking the easy route have to wait 2 months to get a nearly equal ilvl weapon? If you want something faster finish T7 and 8. Quit bitching about time sinks being time sinks.

Sorry but that's not a proper comparison. The equivalent form is that akin to downing T9 but it never dropping the weapon for your job.

[kuikui]

I am casual, and for me, it's not the grind, but how fast they are adding the next upgrade. I have 1/9 of animus books complete so you can see I have a long way yet to go before even thinking about novus. The problem is that soon 2.3 will arrive with probably another upgrade grind. It's just going to leave me too far behind to ever catch up.