Relic quest summary -> Good by to casuals

[ChriZirhC]

I'm a bit disturbed at how flawed this post is. You see, you never took into account the precursor setups for the starting points of WHEN THEY WERE IMPLEMENTED. 900 Mythology was THREE WEEKS of waiting. Being able to do all the Primal HMs was also something a lot of people were incapable of doing, which created the whole "selling primals" scenario.

This game has always had a longer wait period when things are initially released so that it, well, lasts until new content is thrown out there. It's not that difficult to figure out.

this is what Im saying xD

[Nero]

Nero, you've really been on fire today man xD

Fits my Name i guess? XD I like your Sig lol

Seriously though, I agree with you, and thanks for making that point.
For me personally, I'm hardly a casual player; and, at the same time, I don't live for raiding. I'm more of an all-around content player. Going for these kinds of things has absolutely nothing to do with the "inability" to participate in certain pieces of content.

Yeah i am kind of the same. I am going for Coil, but for me personally it is not a "Main Aspect" of the Game. I am more an "old school" grind person and love time sinks. I think the Game does offer a good amount of variety, so everyone should have a certain "route" he can go for. Grinding for me is not really something "casual", since grinds are usually done with a huge amount of time put into it and for me a casual player is someone who does not play often. But yeah "casual" and "hardcore" is thrown way too often into discussion without any relation.

[muwa]

Wtf is your definition of casual then? The entire relic quest line is so casual now

Pseudopsia's definition is the most fitting. Casual approach is more about your dedication to the game than difficulty level, skill or playtime.

I think this new novus step requires too much dedication for many people to care (I won't, don't even have an animus weapon).

[Orophin]

Can people stop with the assumption that only people who can't complete coil go for them? There are also those who do not like to run coil at all and those who simply want the "shiny" and like grind more than raids. Have hardly anything to do with "can't".

Why would someone not want to actually try to do a piece of content available? There's important story tied behind Coil and I would think people playing an FF game would want to experience that, regardless of whatever the drops are.

Regardless of what you say, I think in most cases it comes down to can't and not won't.

[Nero]

Why would someone not want to actually try to do a piece of content available? There's important story tied behind Coil and I would think people playing an FF game would want to experience that, regardless of whatever the drops are.

Regardless of what you say, I think in most cases it comes down to can't and not won't.

Like i said. I am doing coil and also doing the Zodiak Line, but Coil is not a Major Aspect for me and not for everyone. I am not saying that your assumption would not fit for certain people, but assuming it does for everyone is straight wrong. It is like saying every BLM is braindead, because all you need is to press x amount of buttons. And since i see many BLM's, which really don't play that great, would that mean they are beyond any measureable level of stupidity? Would that be right to say, or correct to assume? No it would not and is not.

Playing a certain kind of content, or prefering something else than the highest Raids, does not classifiy your skill, playtime, or if you are "hardcore" or "casual". It is just personal preferences and what is fun for you.

[Enepttastic]

Pseudopsia's definition is the most fitting. Casual approach is more about your dedication to the game than difficulty level, skill or playtime.

I think this new novus step requires too much dedication for many people to care (I won't, don't even have an animus weapon).

Really? Novus requires LESS dedication IMO than Animus. Even if Monster Hunts end up being idiotic, it's still less dedication than upgrading Atma to Animus.

Do your daily, get map, do the map. Do whatever you want after that.

Materia can be obtained while leveling alts or SBing during other content unless you'd prefer spending gil for em that is.

Why would someone not want to actually try to do a piece of content available? There's important story tied behind Coil and I would think people playing an FF game would want to experience that, regardless of whatever the drops are.

Regardless of what you say, I think in most cases it comes down to can't and not won't.

No, in most cases it's won't. Actually, in almost all cases it's going to be, "won't."

Note: The following speaks of MMOs overall and not FFXIV specifically:
Raids require the following:
Time
Effort
Skill
Other Players

And of course: Coordinating the above

Out of those five, "Time" is the only factor that will determine the difference between, "I can't raid," and "I can't raid, yet." Once that's figured out, the issue is deciding if you will or won't raid. If you will, you will put in the effort into getting geared, work on your skills and, if needed, find players to raid with. If you're not willing, then it's not that you can't raid, but won't, because you will not but forth the effort to get prepared.

Unlike how some high-level raiders seem to believe, most players do have the time, can put in the effort, and either already have the skill or can be taught and in any decently populated game, there's enough of em at various time-frames to allow for the coordination to take place.

Honestly though, many players who don't raid probably don't because they don't feel like putting up with the stress of it. Either from the tougher requirements or just dealing with the increased ratio of idiots to sane players.


04/20

[ShinkuTachi]

Fits my Name i guess? XD I like your Sig lol

Indeed it does
And yeah, when I saw the title of that thread, and then clicked it to find that in your post. I choked on my coffee xD
Definitely an A+ response.

Yeah i am kind of the same. I am going for Coil, but for me personally it is not a "Main Aspect" of the Game. I am more an "old school" grind person and love time sinks. I think the Game does offer a good amount of variety, so everyone should have a certain "route" he can go for. Grinding for me is not really something "casual", since grinds are usually done with a huge amount of time put into it and for me a casual player is someone who does not play often. But yeah "casual" and "hardcore" is thrown way too often into discussion without any relation.

Exactly! There is no single aspect of the game that I am personally trying to zero in on. Yes, I do Coil, and I enjoy it. However, I also enjoy many other things in game and the time sinks. I've personally found no shortage of stuff to do; and I still have a lot more to do.
And like you're saying, I just wish the misuse of terms such as "casual" and "hardcore" would stop. We're all gamers here, after all. Regardless of the stigma that has been placed on casual gamers, being a casual does not make someone less of a gamer and it's not synonymous with being a bad player.

There is a chasm of difference between being a casual player and being a bad player.

while i agree with you, I think there is a lot of misconception about shovelware. There is TONS of it on every system released. Heck, the NES was riddled with them. Atari more so. It's just more apparent now due to better coverage and the internet.

I agree. Not to mention back in those days, I was just a kid and I had to choose really wisely about what I wanted, so I couldn't afford to pick up anything outside of what really intrigued me in Nintendo Power. Unlike now, where I can just grab a game on a whim; and, like you said, the biggest thing we have now that we didn't have then, internet coverage.

[Nel_Celestine]

You can thank the 7th console gen and the Wii, with it's library of party games and shovelware, for distorting what the term "casual gamer" means within the gamer community.

while i agree with you, I think there is a lot of misconception about shovelware. There is TONS of it on every system released. Heck, the NES was riddled with them. Atari more so. It's just more apparent now due to better coverage and the internet.

[Karnyboy]

I will have to agree with Enepttastic on this. I think the definition of casual is slightly skewed on this one. Some people are looking at it like they have no alternative BUT to farm for an animus, etc. I managed just fine with a Zenith, I am as casual as they come in the summer time I work 50+ hours a week and have maybe a few hours here and there in total on the weekends to play. If I get a chance to play I previously used it to farm for Atma (which I obtained over two weeks ago), now I have just completed my first book for the Animus, and I am still pretty darn casual. It doesn't bother me, I've not only accepted that I won't be one of these people who need to have the newest toys right out the gate, but I will be that one that still has them down the road on my own accord, it's not like they're removing these things from the game.

I think you need to pick and choose your battles more wisely. I really notice a lot of the forum go'ers have this odd sense of urgency to complete all things in FFXIV as fast as possible like the game is getting removed in a week.

[Moqi]

Eh, I got my Atma today and I didn't sweat much, nor I do to cap myth almost every week. I just do roulettes, beast tribes, and some Coil (T1-4). I've yet to see the huge grindfest people are talking about. I bought my first book today, I'll start working on it tomorrow, and I'll probably do a book a week, maybe more if I put some extra work into it. I don't really see how Novus is different... I have started leveling DPS magic classes and converting/keeping the materia I want for the infusion, and as far as Alexandrite go, there'll be more ways to obtain them in 2.3.

I feel this is as casual as it gets. You're not supposed to do it in a week. Just take your time, it's not a race.