Sightseeing...

[Nalien]

Only if you have nothing to do for the next 8 ingame hours (around 25 minutes earth time)

Yep, there is nothing fundamentally broken with a system that tells you to go sightseeing, and then tells you to do something different because the clouds are in the wrong place.

It's stupid. If I want to go sightseeing, I'll go sightseeing, but apparently I'm not allowed to, because it's not a Full Moon on Darksday. Really, really stupid. This is a game, not an amateurs photography class. Having specific time/weather to enforce a mood is a nice idea, but it doesn't complement the game play, it completely hinders it. Instead of going from location to location finding these vistas and enjoying the process, I'm going from location to location going "Nope, can't do this one because reasons", "Nope, can't do this one either", "Nope", "Nooooooope", "Nope". Do I want to go back just for the right atmosphere? No, not really. I've figured out the clue, I've been there, I've seen it, I may even print a t-shirt while waiting. I've done the sightseeing.

I have visited the location for #6 about a dozen times now. That vista may as well be engraved on my brain, but it's not registering on the Sightseeing Log because the weather is off? It's completely and utterly asinine.

[Gramul]

Yep, there is nothing fundamentally broken with a system that tells you to go sightseeing, and then tells you to do something different because the clouds are in the wrong place.

It's stupid. If I want to go sightseeing, I'll go sightseeing, but apparently I'm not allowed to, because it's not a Full Moon on Darksday. Really, really stupid. This is a game, not an amateurs photography class. Having specific time/weather to enforce a mood is a nice idea, but it doesn't complement the game play, it completely hinders it.

I have visited the location for #6 about a dozen times now. That vista may as well be engraved on my brain, but it's not registering on the Sightseeing Log because the weather is off? It's completely and utterly asinine.

Dude, there's only 20 80(?) of em and you just get a minion for doing it. It's not a high priority task, it's filler and just something to encourage you to see parts of the world the designers think is cool. Don't be stressed that it takes some patience. Figure out when you need to go and make note of it. If you're in the area and the stars are right, go ahead and take a look, but there is no reason to get upset over this. Especially when we didn't even expect it.

[lololink]

Dude, there's only 20 of em and you just get a minion for doing it. It's not a high priority task, it's filler and just something to encourage you to see parts of the world the designers think is cool. Don't be stressed that it takes some patience. Figure out when you need to go and make note of it. If you're in the area and the stars are right, go ahead and take a look, but there is no reason to get upset over this. Especially when we didn't even expect it.

There are at least 80 of them.

[Gramul]

There are at least 80 of them.

Ah, so they unlock the more you solve?

Even still, I don't see this as a particularly bad thing for a game you're going to be playing for a long time.

[Nalien]

It's not a high priority task

Thank you for telling me what my priorities are.

If I log on and I want to do dungeons, I can do dungeons.
If I log on and I want to craft, I can craft.
If I log on and I want to finish my Fishing Log, I can finish my Fishing Log.
If I log on and I want to finish my Challenge Log, I can finish my Challenge Log.
If I log on and I want to finish my Sightseeing Log, I have to wait for asinine reasons.

Honestly, what reason is there for doing this? It just hinders enjoyment of sightseeing (again, something I was looking forward to). I'm no longer sightseeing, I'm waiting for the right time and weather, even if I'm not waiting at the location. That is not a sightseeing system; going to the location the clues point you to is, waiting for X and Y isn't.

[Gramul]

Thank you for telling me what my priorities are.

If I log on and I want to do dungeons, I can do dungeons.
If I log on and I want to craft, I can craft.
If I log on and I want to finish my Fishing Log, I can finish my Fishing Log.
If I log on and I want to finish my Challenge Log, I can finish my Challenge Log.
If I log on and I want to finish my Sightseeing Log, I have to wait for asinine reasons.

I mean in terms of game progression, which is the main focus in how they've been designing the game.

The reason for waiting is because they want you to see the vista just as they would like you to. Just going to the place to check it off as quickly as possible isn't the heart of the project. It's very much a 'take it easy' kind of content.

[Nalien]

I mean in terms of game progression, which is the main focus in how they've been designing the game.

The reason for waiting is because they want you to see the vista just as they would like you to. Just going to the place to check it off as quickly as possible isn't the heart of the project. It's very much a 'take it easy' kind of content.

Which again, just brings me back to "These should have been Cutscenes". Then they can show me it exactly as they envisioned, maybe even make it better than it would look in game. Although in my opinion that completely goes against the heart of sightseeing, it should be about your interpretation of the vista, which would be enhanced by seeing it with whatever time/weather you arrive there with.

It isn't even a "take it easy" kind of content. It's a "Find the right location, then do something else while waiting for X and Y". It's called Sightseeing. I have seen the sights.

No, it's not something you're meant to check off as quickly as possible, that's why they didn't simply say "Go here", "Go there". They made you think about where the location is, they made you find it. Once you find it, the pointless waiting begins though. Seeing as I now actively have to wait and do something different, it actually is something I want to check off as soon as possible. There is fun in figuring out the location. There is no fun in waiting for the seasons to change. People who want to just check through it will do so regardless anyway. There really is no defense to this awful implementation, though I'm sure that wont stop some people.

[paradoxtxs]

The implementation is just utterly at odds with the very concept.

You're going Sightseeing. It's free-spirited and fun. You're getting away from the grind to see things that you've never noticed before. Right?

Nope. You're going Sightseeing, but you will never be allowed to forget that you're doing it on the server's terms. It's nighttime and cloudy? You can only get credit from maybe three spots (oh, and you'll need to either guess what our vague clues mean or use a wiki to know which), and if you've already seen those, tough. Better luck in half an hour or so.

I get that the goal is to make content last a while, but making the content this antagonistic defeats the whole point. Only SE could turn Sightseeing into a chore.

[Nalien]

Next time I go on holiday, I'll be sure to check the sky before I go sightseeing. Realistically rain might stop me, but by SE logic clouds should too, or lack of clouds. Great Wall of China? Nope, there is a cloud in the sky, doesn't count as sightseeing.

I'm going to stop now, hopefully the community reps can pass on the displeasure with this system, but people defending a system that actively goes "You need to wait for Cloudy weather before you can really appreciate the view inside this building" is getting me more agitated than it should and I've already been banned once.

I will actually concede that some of these would be nice with time/weather requirements, but the vast majority? It's ridiculous. Especially places like the Leatherworkers Guild. One or two that require weather would be nice, something like Urth's Fount during Odin weather is actually great and everyone should see that. At the same time though, such draconian sightseeing guidelines are, in my opinion, stupid. If a guide book said that the Eiffel Tower at sunset was something everyone should see, and people were as draconian at following that as SE is here, we'd miss out on a lot of other stunning views of the Eiffel Tower. Sightseeing should really be about seeing a location through your own eyes, not seeing it through someone else's by replicated the vista down to the last detail...

[Bizniztyme]

Sometimes sightseeing at certain times of the day with different types of weather the scene looks totally different and better. Just saying. But i'm sure you're not sightseeing, you just want your rewards and be done with it. lol