Changing Titan Ex Echo

[Yolteotl]

It keeps popping up where ppl want adjustments to Titan EX. Technically speaking, the Echo stat buff doesnt help with people that are trying to get past Titan Ex, it's not the outputs, its the mechanics that makes or breaks Titan Ex. Echo buff currently causes Titan's rotations to skip, for example healer runs to outside for gaol and the Echo skips over Titan's rotation and he jumps and u fall to doom inside the gaol. (Used as an example of how Echo fails to improve survivability, yes healers can learn to circumvent this)

Instead of buffing outputs for TItan Ex, why not have Echo adjust the mechanics so ppl with latency or timing issues dont instantly wipe the party where Echo stat buffs will never help.

The whole purpose of the Echo is to make the content easier to push through because the content is considered Dated. If Echo nerfed the mechanics instead of buffed the outputs, it's really the only way to achieve this purpose on Titan Ex.

The people who got past Titan Ex back before it was dated will prolly whine how that would be 'too much nerf' but to point to an actual example in the game of 'too much nerf' all you have to look at is Demon Wall in Ampadour Keep. At least with the Echo adjusted in this way, every time u enter Titan Ex, it will be it's 'pure' form, and only lessen the mechanics over time as you keep at it, resetting back to its 'pure' form each time you go in.

I'm not saying the mechanics adjustment should be implemented in addition to the Stat boosts, I'm saying the Stat Boosts should be removed and replaced with Mechanics adjustments

Another completely viable alternative:

You could just give people longer to react but keep everything basically the same. Longer cast time on landslides, longer time in between successive bomb explosions, upheaval doesn't kick back quite as far, longer time to break gaols, longer time to break the heart. That sort of thing would make it easier for those who are having a lot of difficulty clearing the fight without just turning it into Titan HM.

EDIT: As of 2.3 Titan EX wil no longer be required for access to Thornmarch EX and Wholeater EX. Totally different direction but works for me. Thanks Devs! Still leaves it a completely viable option to train LS or FC members on the fight but they aren't stuck in the Statis that clearing this fight has been causing too oftenly.

[skaterger]

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[Adoxx]

The problem with adjusting the mechanics though with an "Echo Buff" is that if you make the mechanics easier, you are basically just turning Titan EX into Titan Hard. This is an MMO that has always stated it is for only the best computer (now on consoles too). As for latency issues, that has been a factor in every MMO that has ever been. If you don't have the connection to play the game it was made, perhaps you should look into a different game or upgrading your internet.

Titan EX once you know how to do it and understand it is barely any more difficult than Titan Hard. As a person who has completed Titan EX, I would hate to see Square pull a Blizzard and nerf the entire fight just because people find it to be too hard. Games are supposed to be difficult. They are not supposed to be easy.

[Kuroyasha]

[Myrhn]

What is going to be next? Please neft Twintania twister and divebomb mechanics because the fight is dated?

[Ryans]

The echo buff does make it easier so it's doing its job. Being able to kill gaols in one or two global cooldowns from the group and being able to speed up phases is more helpful than you might imagine. People need to learn how to deal with mechanics like Titan Ex some time... so why not on Titan Ex?

[Giantbane]

The problem with adjusting the mechanics though with an "Echo Buff" is that if you make the mechanics easier, you are basically just turning Titan EX into Titan Hard. This is an MMO that has always stated it is for only the best computer (now on consoles too). As for latency issues, that has been a factor in every MMO that has ever been. If you don't have the connection to play the game it was made, perhaps you should look into a different game or upgrading your internet.

You could just give people longer to react but keep everything basically the same. Longer cast time on landslides, longer time in between successive bomb explosions, upheaval doesn't kick back quite as far, longer time to break gaols, longer time to break the heart. That sort of thing would make it easier for those who are having a lot of difficulty clearing the fight without just turning it into Titan HM.

Titan EX once you know how to do it and understand it is barely any more difficult than Titan Hard.

As someone who has also completed both fights, that's not even remotely true. There is less space to move, and things like 5 way landslides mean you have to be much more on the ball when dodging.

[Yolteotl]

The problem with adjusting the mechanics though with an "Echo Buff" is that if you make the mechanics easier, you are basically just turning Titan EX into Titan Hard. This is an MMO that has always stated it is for only the best computer (now on consoles too). As for latency issues, that has been a factor in every MMO that has ever been. If you don't have the connection to play the game it was made, perhaps you should look into a different game or upgrading your internet.

Titan EX once you know how to do it and understand it is barely any more difficult than Titan Hard. As a person who has completed Titan EX, I would hate to see Square pull a Blizzard and nerf the entire fight just because people find it to be too hard. Games are supposed to be difficult. They are not supposed to be easy.

I understand people like you (and you are opposed to any Echo at all from that standpoint) and I personally know the fight like the back of my hand, but when u end up with enough of those 8 members who dont have it completely memorized, the whole run is a wash or people are being carried. But the Echo is there and is there to make Dated content easier, the very thing you oppose is the very purpose of the Echo.

You could just give people longer to react but keep everything basically the same. Longer cast time on landslides, longer time in between successive bomb explosions, upheaval doesn't kick back quite as far, longer time to break gaols, longer time to break the heart. That sort of thing would make it easier for those who are having a lot of difficulty clearing the fight without just turning it into Titan HM.

This is true and a perfectly viable option also, main thing is that the current Echo buff doesn't assist the completion of the Content and that is the very purpose of the Echo existing.

People who feel like nerfing Dated content is a handout. #1 The Echo only builds over time, so the groups still face the proper fight in it's pure form everytime they enter, #2 Continuously making it easier to clear until Echo caps is the very purpose of the Echo, #3 most of you don't even do Titan Ex anymore unless ur going for a mount drop and ragequit as soon that first person of the 8 screws up.

[Dano]

they should just hand you the win and loot then, save them the time and money to rebalance/adjust the content.

[Fawkes]

Games are supposed to be difficult. They are not supposed to be easy.