duty finder isn't there for you to spirit bond

[Welsper59]

I'm sorry, but having a few pieces of gears to spiritbind has little to no impact to the overall progress speed. I mean sure, it might make the dungeon run slower by what... 30 seconds to 1 minute? I'm talking about Spiritbinding in dungeons, designed, minimally for level 55 people, where people have level 70, 80, even 90 100, and hell even level 110 gears and weapons, save a couple of pieces of gears that only brings down their ilevel by 5 or 10, which therefore, again, has negligible impact on the progress.

Most people, as they said here, actually practice common sense and only use accessories which offers (or take away) VERY little in stats, and even switch to their main set when on bosses.

Really. I fail to see how this even slows down the progress.

Now if they're SBing with EVERY slots including weapons then we have a problem, in which even I would do, given that I play primarily DPS, and most of the damage comes from the base damage of the weapon.

Hell I even object to spiritbinding weapons, which has little to no point in doing so. THAT will have a greatest impact on the overall DPS. Not SBing accessories.

Agreed. Accessories, or even 1-2 main slots, really aren't that big of a deal. There are however still a lot of people that do SB with 70+% of their gear as crafting stuff, some of which have said they do that in this thread. IMO, if any role, such as tank and healer, wouldn't be allowed to SB craft gear to those same slots (or number of slots), then it's wrong for anyone to do it to that same degree. Heck, a couple people I've met in randoms refuse to switch to appropriate gear even after any wipes. I think these folks, the ones who clearly are taking advantage of the group (and would likely rage if the same were to happen to them), are the main people in question for this thread. Anyone throwing a tantrum over just a few slots going to SB, even crafting ones, in generic lv50 dungeons is just silly.

[Suirieko]

Agreed. Accessories, or even 1-2 main slots, really aren't that big of a deal. There are however still a lot of people that do SB with 70+% of their gear as crafting stuff, some of which have said they do that in this thread. IMO, if any role, such as tank and healer, wouldn't be allowed to SB craft gear to those same slots (or number of slots), then it's wrong for anyone to do it to that same degree. Heck, a couple people I've met in randoms refuse to switch to appropriate gear even after any wipes. I think these folks, the ones who clearly are taking advantage of the group (and would likely rage if the same were to happen to them), are the main people in question for this thread. Anyone throwing a tantrum over just a few slots going to SB, even crafting ones, in generic lv50 dungeons is just silly.

I'd just kick those people out if they won't listen. I generally do no more than 5 slots (and honestly I can admit that's pushing it). of course there are places where one SHOULDN'T Spiritbond (Any of the Primal Fights or trial fights, or any of the Binding Coil of Behemoth raids, the former because it's entirely pointless to do so and the latter, because you should be equipped and performing to your best.)

Bottomline: There are no reasons for SE to change anything regarding this, and doing so would only be punishing everyone over the actions of a few.

[Welsper59]

I'd just kick those people out if they won't listen. I generally do no more than 5 slots (and honestly I can admit that's pushing it). of course there are places where one SHOULDN'T Spiritbond (Any of the Primal Fights or trial fights, or any of the Binding Coil of Behemoth raids, the former because it's entirely pointless to do so and the latter, because you should be equipped and performing to your best.)

Bottomline: There are no reasons for SE to change anything regarding this, and doing so would only be punishing everyone over the actions of a few.

Exactly, you'd kick them. That's what I was getting at with the other reply I made about just kicking the offending player rather than suggesting a legit player (that hopefully isn't being a problem) leave the group and have to requeue. I don't think it's a big deal at all if they were to change it. Assuming any potential change in the future happens, "punishing" isn't really the case, as it's not like you can't do the same thing outside of a dungeon. This is also assuming any change wouldn't be something drastic like "cannot spiritbind crafting gear in combat"... I think that'd cause far more problems than we would want, unless they were to change a plethora of things related to crafting (especially overmelds).

Heck, I spiritbind a lot solo and occasionally in groups outside of dungeons. Doing it in groups in the open world is exceptionally faster than doing it with a dungeon group. And if you happen to be doing tier 1 materia, around 10min is all I need to 100% bind every slot at once besides weapon with no risk of death solo.

[Wildsprite]

When you see someone doing that, just say in party chat "Oh great, it's a SB party!", change to full SB set and encourage all other party members to do the same (especially the tank and DDs).

to this I would reply with "can we complete this in time with this gear"

What's a "spirit bond"?

Please be excited!

I can't stop giggling at this

[Valthein]

if you meet the ilvl req. that's it end of story, as other ppl have said. that's what ilvl is for!!! If you know how to play your class, NM Dungeons easily can be done with just lvl appropriate weapons since there is no ilvl. I can heal and contribute dps while still wearing over half Spirit Binding BS gear on my cnj/whm and never hurt for mana while getting 2 or 3 commendations every time. if you cant spirit bind and play your class to its fullest, don't hate other players who can, please its just childish. not everyone can play the same

[Sapphic]

if you meet the ilvl req. that's it end of story, as other ppl have said. that's what ilvl is for!!! If you know how to play your class, NM Dungeons easily can be done with just lvl appropriate weapons since there is no ilvl. I can heal and contribute dps while still wearing over half Spirit Binding BS gear on my cnj/whm and never hurt for mana while getting 2 or 3 commendations every time. if you cant spirit bind and play your class to its fullest, don't hate other players who can, please its just childish. not everyone can play the same

Could you if the tank was wearing full crafting gear to SB in the dungeon also?

No, don't think so. If it's ok for you, it's ok for all the party to SB in crafting gear. See how far that gets you

[Valthein]

Could you if the tank was wearing full crafting gear to SB in the dungeon also?

No, don't think so. If it's ok for you, it's ok for all the party to SB in crafting gear. See how far that gets you

easy enough so long as everyone knows what they're doing and if you don't you shouldn't be SBing, even did ifrit story with my cnj at fresh 20 (new character no other classes lvled) half SBing again. Ended up tank/healing the entire fight cuz tank was running around in circles still had mana to spare so I could throw rocks at nail.

[Welsper59]

easy enough so long as everyone knows what they're doing and if you don't you shouldn't be SBing, even did ifrit story with my cnj at fresh 20 (new character no other classes lvled) half SBing again. Ended up tank/healing the entire fight cuz tank was running around in circles still had mana to spare so I could throw rocks at nail.

Ifrit story and below 40 dungeons are pretty easy or manageable without a tank in general. It's those harder dungeons and level 50 ones that roles like tanks and heals need to have some appropriate gear for. I'd love to see an entire group in DF do AK, WP, Brayflox HM, etc with everyone in crafting gear lol. Even moreso an entire group from random DF that didn't complain about it and willingly worked together to slowly progress through it.

[Valthein]

Ifrit story and below 40 dungeons are pretty easy or manageable without a tank in general. It's those harder dungeons and level 50 ones that roles like tanks and heals need to have some appropriate gear for. I'd love to see an entire group in DF do AK, WP, Brayflox HM, etc with everyone in crafting gear lol. Even moreso an entire group from random DF that didn't complain about it and willingly worked together to slowly progress through it.

Wouldn't be possible, Ilvl would keep you from entering in full crafting gear for majority of thoughs. and if you have that minimum ilvl then there's no point in anyone complaining. that's why most ppl spirit bind in low lvl easy dungeons or cm if you need the higher gear done. and story mode ifrit garuda titan if your party is at entry lvl with just enough gear isn't "pretty easy" as a lvl 20 clothie your taking some HUGE hits. im not talkin about a full lvl 50 I90 lvl sync group going in an putting ifrit to rest.

[Mupod]

my spiritbonding gear is better than half the stuff I see random goobers wearing in DF