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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Well I doubt you would much like being put in a room where someone constantly judges your every action as being bad and horrible and that you should consider changing jobs.
    No i wouldnt, which is why i wouldn't go, if i was that terrible...cause i don't want to hold people back.
    I guess you would, cause you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radacci View Post
    No i wouldnt, which is why i wouldn't go, if i was that terrible...cause i don't want to hold people back.
    I guess you would, cause you can.
    Typical response.

    As far as a person being bad I don't care. Only time I'm gonna call a player out is when that player starts pulling additional mobs and purposefully trying to wipe the group. This is the only time "screaming" harassment from a bad player is gonna be justified. Not omg he can't DPS and put out uber 1337 h@x0r numbers.

    As far as all the complaining here goes, trivial at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gormogon View Post
    Typical response.

    As far as a person being bad I don't care. Only time I'm gonna call a player out is when that player starts pulling additional mobs and purposefully trying to wipe the group. This is the only time "screaming" harassment from a bad player is gonna be justified. Not omg he can't DPS and put out uber 1337 h@x0r numbers.

    As far as all the complaining here goes, trivial at best.
    How is it not harassment if said player is hindering the progression of the rest of the group? I don't ever queue for the Roulette expecting a speed run, sure is great when it happens, but I do expect people to actually perform their jobs adequately. That'd be like me joining an instance with you and telling the party that I'm only going to DPS as a Paladin. What? I'm supposed to tank? Sorry, don't feel like it. Bet that'd go over real well, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrial View Post
    How is it not harassment if said player is hindering the progression of the rest of the group?
    Well I'm not the one that sets the rules so just go over what Square-Enix considers Harassment in FFXIV.


    Harassment
    Our Definition of Harassment
    The use of inappropriate and offensive language in general, or against another player is considered harassment in FINAL FANTASY XIV and is strictly prohibited. Using offensive language for character and retainer name, or spreading the inappropriate words in the character’s first and last names is also considered harassment. All claims of harassment are evaluated on a case by case basis and the action taken can be varied based upon the situation at that time. If harassment is found, the account penalty will be issued to all players who involve in the harassment.

    •The use of language that is generally considered unacceptable in a public venue
    •Any language that is purposely meant to harm or harass a third party
    •Any language that promotes the discrimination of any race, nationality, religion, sexual orientation or gender

    There may be inappropriate conduct that does not fit into any of the above categories that may be considered harassment and as such would constitute an actionable offense.
    No where there do I see anything about being a bad player considered as harassment.

    So how about

    Inappropriate Behavior
    Our Definition of Inappropriate Behavior
    Disturbances that do not fall under the harassment category but are intended to prevent or hinder game play for others are considered inappropriate. Examples of inappropriate behavior are spam, gridlocking, and scam. FINAL FANTASY XIV respect individual player’s unique play style. However, GM may take action to players whose play style prevents other player’s game play.

    Spam
    Spamming (or spimming) is the act of using open chat channels to excessively repeat the same phrase or action. Spamming prevents other players from chatting or otherwise reading their chat logs effectively.

    Gridlocking
    Gridlocking refers to a player or group of players that gather in a passage in an attempt to prevent others from entering.

    Scam
    In-game scams are defined as any inappropriate actions meant to defraud a fellow player with the intent to take in-game items or other possessions from them.
    So unless there's been official word about how being an unskilled player equates to Inappropriate Behavior then I don't have an answer for you.

    From my point of view a new, bad, or unskilled player shouldn't be considered harassment or inappropriate. Someone purposely going out of their way to pull mobs and cause wipes should be considered inappropriate behavior.

    Yet if someone has an official stance on this then that would be beneficial to both our sides when it come to understanding the situation of bad players and those that don't take advice.
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    Last edited by Gormogon; 06-07-2014 at 07:21 AM.