I don't understand...

[Ghastly]

Freedom of expression and choice ends, where you start to annoy, hurt, insult or in any other way disturb the people you play with. It is the same attitude which makes americans believe that "freedom of speech" means, that you can say everything, to everyone and everywhere you want. It is just selfish and ignorant, to interact with other players like that.

Which brings us to the original intent of the system, random encounters with endless possibilities with a central theme of helping players running through the story and/or completing quests/hunts.

This is not the place to judge players because it is more about situational help and less about friendship related help. You can ask people whom you know to act how you think they should act but don't expect the same from strangers.

We're no one to be judging people we don't know. No one owes you anything in a random chance encounter. In Duty Finder let it work how Square wants it to work.

[Tiggy]

Which brings us to the original intent of the system, random encounters with endless possibilities with a central theme of helping players running through the story and/or completing quests/hunts.

This is not the place to judge players because it is more about situational help and less about friendship related help. You can ask people whom you know to act how you think they should act but don't expect the same from strangers.

We're no one to be judging people we don't know. No one owes you anything in a random chance encounter. In Duty Finder let it work how Square wants it to work.

That doesn't mean we can't provide advice. Advice which is often taken with a grain of salt and the phrase "let me play how I play." No one is forcing anyone to do anything, but simply giving advice is like pulling teeth. It's at that point that their refusal to even take advice becomes such a hindrance to the groups success that what Nero said becomes VERY true. "But don't expect the same from strangers" falls apart pretty quickly when you get stuck with a tank refusing to use Shield Oath or Defiance because "let me play how I play." It is a real hindrance to the group. A real waste of time for 3 other players. All because "let me play how I play."

People need to be open to criticism when they are obviously learning, and people giving the advice need to learn to simmer down. If the person won't take your advice just leave.

[Radacci]

SMN using Ruin and energy drain...and misasma II...out of reach.
I gave him advice, how to improve, but he didnt respond nor improve.
So i said he should consider playing some other job.
Then he left without a word.

Which brings us to the original intent of the system, random encounters with endless possibilities with a central theme of helping players running through the story and/or completing quests/hunts.

This is not the place to judge players because it is more about situational help and less about friendship related help. You can ask people whom you know to act how you think they should act but don't expect the same from strangers.

We're no one to be judging people we don't know. No one owes you anything in a random chance encounter. In Duty Finder let it work how Square wants it to work.

Helping ppl through content, and helping ppl improve on their job.....
Any reason you can't do both?
Why even have a chat in DF, if all you're *supposed to do* is carry ppl through?
Why not just go into DF, and afk, and let the rest of the pt clear everything for you? Just let them do that, if that's their play-style.

[Gormogon]

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Well I doubt you would much like being put in a room where someone constantly judges your every action as being bad and horrible and that you should consider changing jobs.

[RaquelleAvarosa]

Which brings us to the original intent of the system, random encounters with endless possibilities with a central theme of helping players running through the story and/or completing quests/hunts.

This is not the place to judge players because it is more about situational help and less about friendship related help. You can ask people whom you know to act how you think they should act but don't expect the same from strangers.

We're no one to be judging people we don't know. No one owes you anything in a random chance encounter. In Duty Finder let it work how Square wants it to work.

Isn't exactly HELPING when your actions cause trouble to other party members that wants to complete the dungeon.

[stupiddog]

I just don't understand, why don't people just atleast try?

Sorry for asking the obvious but: Have you tried asking them to find out about it?

[Ghastly]

Duty Finder will always be this way. At the end of the day remember that everyone is trying to contribute and that no one has the right to tell anyone how to play. You can however leave the party or vote to kick.

But I would caution our FFXIV community in NA/EU to treat new users in a way where everytime they make a few mistakes that they'll kick them.
Why caution? Because growth of an individual and allowing for this growth is what keeps a healthy community.

Without a healthy community that's inclusive you end up with a dying server made up of the few. A country without new faces is a bad country

Ask Yoshida why he treats FFXIV like a country

[Clavaat]

All you guys need to do is create a balance.

- Player is doing poorly: bad rotation, getting hit by AoE, not killing adds, etc. Give helpful advice that would help everyone get through in a polite manner. You are not a drill sergeant or a college professor (unless you are IRL I guess). Ignore the time factor, just talk it through nicely.
- If you are the player doing poorly: be willing to listen and take some of it to heart, barring any actual insults. If you are trying and legitimately have issues keeping up, consider running with FC-mates or learning groups a few times to get the hang of it. Not necessary, but could be a nicer experience for you.

It's very simple, just don't be a dick to each other and everyone will have a more pleasant experience.

[Tiggy]

Well I doubt you would much like being put in a room where someone constantly judges your every action as being bad and horrible and that you should consider changing jobs.

At this point aren't you just White Knighting?

[Radacci]

Well I doubt you would much like being put in a room where someone constantly judges your every action as being bad and horrible and that you should consider changing jobs.

No i wouldnt, which is why i wouldn't go, if i was that terrible...cause i don't want to hold people back.
I guess you would, cause you can.