Community divide in Legacy servers

[BobbinT]

speaking of legacies, this is something I've been wondering recently. Something that I might take it granted without realizing...

Back in 1.0, for legacies resides in US/EU region, how was the latency back then?

If I recall back then, all servers are located in JP, no? Think that also includes the back-then newly introduced Ragnarok which are designated for EU community.

My memories hasn't been really clear, but... I do remember that 1.0 gameplay mechanic wasn't as precision-wise as ARR nowadays. And so... did many experience problem of lag when facing either Garuda HM or Rivenroad?

This is just general wonderment since I realize that the new gameplay mechanic were actually making a rift between regions. I'm not really blaming it since I admit, Titan (for one) was kinda fun. But the problem between latency itself has somehow created an urge for players so that in the end they don't have any choice but to move to closer regional server, or take additional measures. English speaker has been now almost literally separated on their own comfortable regional server, while the rest of SEA community are now being unintentionally forced to relocate into a more closed communities residing in one particular server, thus adding the language barrier as another major staple. Those who are still staying, in this case: Masamune server, are ppl who has considerate amount of JP language understanding. But from what I read, they somehow got into secluded community and getting in touch with JP has created risks in which making sure that they doesn't feel too 'gaijin'.

As of now, I'm checking the quantity of discussion between US/EU forum & JP's, and it was astounding! So many on each NA/EU forums, while many on JP server forum doesnt even exceeds more than 10 topics. Even each legacies barely making past 30 topics, with only Masamune making a contrast amount of more than 150 topics. And even more with Tonberry, which now has 450+ topics. But even with the combined amount of topics between Masamune & Tonberry cannot even beat the majority amount of each of NA/EU server forums.

All of this leads me to these questions: What is the point of MMO, if I can't touch with many ppl with different backgrounds? Does MMO really different than LAN party? Or even offline games?

[Edeline]

If you are on a JP server you can expect that to happen. People will always prefer playing with people they can understand.

What do you need to understand in myth farming runs, from which you seem to get kicked if you're not Japanese? most of them just do it because they don't want anyone else but Japanese in the server.
While your post is partially true, you don't see this behavior on EN servers. We pretty much welcome everyone no matter where they are from. We don't exclude others language speaking players in our PF with "EN only" messages, people care about how you know the fight, not how you can pretend to be communicative in a fight that doesn't involve/need to be and kick you out of it because of that simple reason.

It is logical to think that you're expected to understand the server's language when you join it at your own risk, but it's not logical to exclude players just because they can't speak it, regardless of how well they know the game fights.

[Alistaire]

Actually, many NA/EU people asked for servers over not in Japan, while we were still playing 1.0.

NA/EU players have been asking for NA servers since FFXI NA release. So SE's long been aware of the request. And it's as much a latency issue as it is a "get away from JP onry" parties issue.

[Tsukino]

SE also needs to lay down the law to these folks. Countrymen or no, this is an INTERnational game.

Unfortunately there are so many people who do it that it's not a matter of them being their "countrymen" but a matter of appeasing customers paying for their game. If they actively banned people for kicking foreigners and such, they may end up with a lot of complaints resulting in cancelled subscriptions. Is that right? No. But it is the reality of the situation.

I still think people should report them if they're experiencing those issues, but I think profit will stand in SE's way to respond.

[Empressia]

Oh so this is y i saw a massive influx of peeps transferring from masamune to tonberry, good its nice to see more E, well if only these some of these transmigrants didn't cause trouble by stealing static members here and there

[ZyloSladek]

Oh so this is y i saw a massive influx of peeps transferring from masamune to tonberry, good its nice to see more E, well if only these some of these transmigrants didn't cause trouble by stealing static members here and there

Yep. I'm one of the newer ones, since about 6 hrs ago.
Good-bye Masamune. Hello Tonberry.
Even just looking at the PF is nice. Also, I had a nice couple of chats in shout with various people who were very welcoming.
P.S. Any of the local strats for fights different than the the jp ones on Masamune? (anyone know?)
P.P.S. Please invite me to any end-game/odin-behemoth LS.

-Zylo Sladek refugee from Masamune

[Akujin]

I want to bring to your attention the community divide that is present in most legacy servers, mainly split between English speaking players and Japanese speaking players, I want to know if this is as bad in other legacy servers as it is in mine

Below i organized my thoughts or responses to posters in this thread based on subject

(please note from here on i can only provide comments and photos [by request] from my own experience from masamune)

On Masamune i would hazard a estimate ratio of 30:70 En/Jp speaking players, and for some reason the japanese players have no love at all for any English players, while this wasnt such a bad thing before 2.2 its becoming increasingly worse as time/content comes out

Responding specifically to the highlighted point.

Likely due to players who came from XI who haven't forgotten the type of treatment that Japanese players received from NA players when the game was released for them. It got so bad to the point that it was common to hear shouts of 'JP ONLY' come out, consistently, because they simply did not want to deal with NA players. Sometimes due to language barrier, it's a real issue, auto-translate only helps so much. It also had to do with player attitude, particularly American (and yes I am one), the attitude towards other country players is really abhorrent. Not all players are this way, it's also not isolated to simply American, but can also involve European, or Australian as well. But I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at. They simply don't want to intermingle.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

le sigh, im getting tired and wanning as many en players leaving masamune to tonberry, i;ve been all alone in fighting to promote masamune, and idk, i think i might just give it up. <_<everytime a new player from oceania comes in and ask where to go, "Tonberry" no mention of masamune no mention of anything.

why can't we play good and help each other, before this i aalways promote both Tonberry & Masamune. now is dwindling to just Tonberry.

LE SIGH.

[Issac]

le sigh, im getting tired and wanning as many en players leaving masamune to tonberry, i;ve been all alone in fighting to promote masamune, and idk, i think i might just give it up. <_<everytime a new player from oceania comes in and ask where to go, "Tonberry" no mention of masamune no mention of anything.

why can't we play good and help each other, before this i aalways promote both Tonberry & Masamune. now is dwindling to just Tonberry.

LE SIGH.

Don't know what you're talking about. Masamune is awesome.

[ispano]

Back in 1.0, for legacies resides in US/EU region, how was the latency back then?

It was pretty bad for some, the main issue was that it added onto the natural server delay we had due to how the server code was designed. It could be worked around for sure, but it was easily noticeable.

As of now, I'm checking the quantity of discussion between US/EU forum & JP's, and it was astounding! So many on each NA/EU forums, while many on JP server forum doesnt even exceeds more than 10 topics. Even each legacies barely making past 30 topics, with only Masamune making a contrast amount of more than 150 topics. And even more with Tonberry, which now has 450+ topics. But even with the combined amount of topics between Masamune & Tonberry cannot even beat the majority amount of each of NA/EU server forums.

There's a reason for this. Some may not have played 2.0 beta, some may not remember either. The English forums had FAR more threads than the Japanese forums did. I mean within like a day or two even. We hit the thousands and the JP side was barely at a hundred or so. If you look at the rules we have for the forums, mainly the ones to search for an existing thread and such, the Japanese players tend to follow that more than English speaking players do. They also, in my experience, tend to post less "junk" threads. I say junk, not as in they're totally worthless, but say, not too relevant to the forum or game itself.