with this mindset the future looks dim

[Clavaat]

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Well I said I was done but I just can't help myself.

Before using the term "Inconsiderate" to describe people who DF for BC/EX, consider this:

Maybe...

- They didn't know it was expected.
- They have confidence in their ability to adapt.
- They wanted to learn through gameplay.
- They felt that whoever they joined up with would help them, because so far players have been that way.

Now, consider the format in which you partook. A random selection of people from across several servers. The odds of any of them meeting the above criteria are likely, because this goes beyond just playing the game and knowing your job, but being aware of how people are going to feel towards your actions. Since the introduction of DR, I've noticed that people in instances up through the HM primals have been mostly positive. People say it's their first time and they don't really know what to do, someone gives a quick rundown, adapt during the fight, we clear it.

An example:

I joined a Trials DR last night on my WAR. The other WAR still in mostly AF, no relic, and said immediately it was his first time. No one jumped on him, I gave an annotated version of the fight: Phase 1 stand behind pillars like regular, kill the plumes, keep up debuffs. When adds spawn, Provoke+Tomahawk the Red line and face it away from everyone as best as possible, follow me and don't step in the green. Took less minute to write. At one point, he pulled the Red Line add away through the tornadoes, thinking it was the right thing to do. I quickly typed "back here, too far, just outside the green". He promptly corrected himself, along with one of the mages, and we cleared it no problem. No fuss. This is not the first time something like this has happened in any DR. Please note, the only reason I bring this is up is to clarify the above point that players generally will only have positive experiences and may develop the above expectations.

Now, all of a sudden, the expectations change when they hit EX primals and BC, but how are they to be aware of that given the previous circumstances? You can choose to handle it one way or another: Be agitated with the person for "wasting time", or be patient and understand where they might be coming from, and help out as best as possible. Be the better person. Once you get them through a try or two, they'll become better too.

I'm not saying I don't look up fights beforehand, mind you, I totally do. Even then, I'm not the biggest fan because usually they have misinformation, conflicting information, bad quality to the point you can't tell what is happening, etc. But I just think people need to take a minute and think about how others are actually behaving. I don't think anyone chooses to not watch videos/guides out of spite for others, but maybe I'm just too trusting...

[NintenPyjak64]

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To be fair I was talking about Coil specifically and PF at the same time as DF. I try my damn near hardest to be patient with people, but since 2.2 dropped and the lockouts for Coil removed (reminder: It was not possible to solo queue at this time, only full party PF was possible), My patience practically went down the drain. Trivial fights became a complete chore. Because of this the only thing I ever use DF for now is just Expert roulette. I just don't have the patience to deal with it any longer sadly. I don't care if I get called "Elitist" or "Toxic"

I don't think anyone chooses to not watch videos/guides out of spite for others

A majority don't, but they don't do it so they don't get "spoiled" from what I'm noticing in this thread

When I watch a video I just do it to learn the mechanics. My group is starting to do T8 and a couple of weeks ago, all I could find on T8 sounded like gibberish. It wasn't until a recent video (I love this guy's video) That I finally understood exactly how the towers worked, how the homing missile and ballistic missile worked. What this video DIDN'T teach me was how to play SMN in T8. This I learned on my own with the basic knowledge of the mechanics. (and on top of that that gibberish started making much more sense)

What I'm trying to say is don't watch a video to copy paste what they're doing. Watch it to understand how to deal with the mechanics of the fight, and how to deal with mechanics safely.

[Clavaat]

I just don't have the patience to deal with it any longer sadly. I don't care if I get called "Elitist" or "Toxic"

I'm sorry to hear that. At the end of the day, this is a game about player interaction, whether we like it to be or not. You could be severely limiting yourself in that regard by feeling that way. The points I tried to make were that people join in from different experiences, so we, as the more experienced, should take that into consideration. But you're entitled to play the way you feel. Best of luck to you.

[Kazumac]

At the end of the day, this is a game about player interaction, whether we like it to be or not.

Yup and a good way to improve social interaction is by trying to be the best player you can. Coming into a complex fight and saying hey tell me what to do here is not a good way to have quality social interactions...

Everyone can play how they want but in an MMO where social interactions are required, the more effort you put in the better the community will respond. Those who don't want to read up on a fight, no problem, just accept the fact it will cause others not to want to group with you. It's their choice to play the game how they want as well. If that means not grouping with you... So be it.

[Clavaat]

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It's as if you read nothing I said before. *sigh* Goodbye again, thread. Shoulda learned the first time.

[Kazumac]

It's as if you read nothing I said before. *sigh* Goodbye again, thread. Shoulda learned the first time.

You are right I didn't go back and read all of your posts... Reading on my phone I commonly miss who stated each reply. I think I'm in more alignment with your overall view than I previously thought... For what is worth apologies?