with this mindset the future looks dim

[Luxx]

It seems more plausible for those who are skilled and experienced in fights to use PF. The problem is, it takes far too long to muster up a group.
I never seen a learning party in PF. With this derp community no one would wanna help them anyways lol.
I just think it's completely insane for some of you to think you're going to have a great time in late Coil
with randoms, possibly trolls and silly nannies in your PT via DF. Please remember DF, is a RNG of people of all kind.
Think that's the key thing people are forgetting here. Most people in DF don't give 2 craps about anyone
because they won't even see you again lol. They don't have to listen to some random telling em' to watch a video lol.

If you can't deal with PF then find your friends, get a static, call your cool gamer mom or just anyone who think you is reliable to get the job done.
Good luck walking in DF, expecting some Grade A team. You're all honestly rolling the die with DF.
It's just a quick way to get into something because no one wants to deal with PF. Oh well.
Like I said before, pick your fate.
You wait in PF, you deal with trolls in DF, get lucky in DF or just be with a good premade. Up to you all.

[Kuwagami]

You are making an incorrect assumption. Just because I have an opinion does not mean that I will force it on someone in a way that will be harmful to anothers experience If you had read my previous post, you would have seen that I have no problem helping a person, but I am one that can't help but wonder why they are so against spending 3-5 minutes watching a video when they are going to be spending 3-5 minutes having a fight explained to them.

Hmm my last 3 paragraphs weren't directed to anybody in particular. English isn't my native language so Idk how I could have turned that. It's more a general way of speaking to those who are saying "you're rude to everyone if you don't watch a video".
For the "why don't you watch a video when you're going to be explained for the same time if no longer", it's pretty simple. I do not ask for advice. If people want or think it's necessary to give some, they do it on their own. Maybe others just aren't able to learn anything by watching it only. I don't know. Everyone is different

It works both ways. As easily as you pointed out that others with one mentality can use the PF for everything, so can others with a different mindset. This is not a just argument.

Sure it does. But you can't really ask to someone who just plays for the sake of playing to use PF for everything because they want to avoid the barking toxic part of the community. They will usually use DF for a lot of things, sometimes totally blind. Same way that you can't possibly ask a new player to take his first steps in story dungeons in PF because he would ruin speed-runners DR.
On the other hand, you can ask someone who only plays for efficiency to use PF every time, so that they get only what they want without the random DF group factor.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

What game walks you through solutions for its end game raids?

The same one that requires you to watch a fan-made video for completion.

None.

You see? It's not needed hence why there aren't videos in-game, why they don't try to teach you how to beat the dungeon during the dungeon with tutorials. This is something the fans of the game do, it will never be required and there obviously is an issue here to begin with if people don't like watching videos just to beat a game.

Anytime someone has to go outside of the game to get something done, that nuisance makes things less entertaining because at the end of the day it still is a nuisance no matter how big or small, it's also a time spent watching a video when that's not what people want to do. They want to play the game.

[Suniva]

You're right. I cannot, and that is not what anyone should be expecting. The overall problem is that people assume that they are going to be getting quick easy runs in the DF, and when they are not, they become agitated and annoyed. At the same time, a new person goes into a DF, expecting to find friendly players, and is instead met with elitists and jerks who want nothing to do with them. It is a vicious cycle, one that can be avoided if:
1) Try and make a group with your FC. You own FC members are more than likely willing to assist you. If you cannot, or not enough people are on..
2) Try forming a party if PF. It is YOUR party and you can dictate the terms as you seem fit, if that fails..
3) DF. And if you use DF, and are new to the fight, expect some hostility from people if you announce you're new, or if you make a mistake, etc. Also, don't expect speed runs and for everyone to know what they are doing.
They're plenty of options available for individuals to use. And if you lose option 3, you have to be prepared to encounter gamers that have a different playstyle than your own, and embrace them as fellow gamers, not like "noobs" or "idiots". Plain and simple, yet so complicated.

[Suniva]

The same one that requires you to watch a fan-made video for completion.

None.

You see? It's not needed hence why there aren't videos in-game, why they don't try to teach you how to beat the dungeon during the dungeon with tutorials. This is something the fans of the game do, it will never be required and there obviously is an issue here to begin with if people don't like watching videos just to beat a game.
.[/B]

No one is forcing players to watch a video, however, if you go into a run, not knowing what to do, and are expecting people to teach you the fight (either by asking them, or experiencing the fight first hand), then you are no better than the individuals that are there asking you to watch the video to begin with. Why? Because both go into the party assuming one thing, and then rage out when they get the opposite response of what they were expecting. (Psst, THIS is underlying problem that NO ONE wishes to address.)

[Yurihyuga]

What the hell did the players making the first video do! How did they know the fight?

The fun of raiding has always been going into the unknown and feeling your way through these fights. It makes the experience so much better.

If you want to research the fight and take the fun out fine, more power to you. You will get weeks upon weeks to kill the same boss over and over. But everyone only gets one first time fighting a boss, so don't ruin it for others.

But why should you ruin the experience for 7 other people for your selfish needs? If you want to experience the fight without wanting to research make a practice group on pf.

[Kuwagami]

But why should you ruin the experience for 7 other people for your selfish needs? If you want to experience the fight without wanting to research make a practice group on pf.

"If you want to have a flawless run, make a group on PF"

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Telling new players to use PF isn't going anywhere you know ?

Oh and btw, being new (regardless of well prepared you are beforehand) isn't "ruining the experience for 7 other people for selfish needs". Rather, these 7 other people (but I guess you're only talking for yourself and assuming everyone goes your way, because it's the only one possible ?) are ruining that new player experience because they wanted a swift clear/proper phase learning (let's say T5's twister as an example) but did it with randoms. You can't expect randoms to go your way. On the contrary, you really should go prepared for the worse.

who said anything about flawless run? bashing my post is going to get you nowhere

if you don't want a flawless run, then please explain why it bothers you if people are new and/or go blind ? because you're also here to learn if I understood it right ? Also, as Bizniztyme said, I didn't want to be offensive. It was just a plain statement.

[Yurihyuga]

"If you want to have a flawless run, make a group on PF"

...

Telling new players to use PF isn't going anywhere you know ?

who said anything about flawless run? bashing my post is going to get you nowhere

[Bizniztyme]

who said anything about flawless run? bashing my post is going to get you nowhere

Uh....I don't think responding to your comment is considered bashing your post. There's nothing in his response that shows he's bashing your post. I'm sure being defensive where it's not warranted is not getting you anywhere.

[Yurihyuga]

"If you want to have a flawless run, make a group on PF"

if you don't want a flawless run, then please explain why it bothers you if people are new and/or go blind ? because you're also here to learn if I understood it right ? Also, as Bizniztyme said, I didn't want to be offensive. It was just a plain statement.

It bothers me because you should show some initiative and want to improve yourself not going in blind and hoping your gonna get carried. Now if i was experienced and saw 7 new people but who have at least made a little effort on watching a video I can help them improve by explaining little tidbits because sometimes watching a video and going into the actual thing can sometimes throw you off and sometimes you don't understand little bits of the video. I don't mind wiping for 90 mins if people are actually making an effort and there is some hope.