dont allow shouts or tells till lvl 20

[Gesser]

I've never filled my blist, and adding people to my blist takes two clicks. /s would usually take me at least 4, /p 3 assuming I'm not already in a party (like, say, waiting for PF to fill), /l would involve starting an ls dedicated to conversing with lowbies and would also require at least 3 clicks. So, yes, each alternative you've listed is actually more involved than adding someone to my blist, nevermind that it needlessly alienates new players.

Please pay more close attention when reading my posts.

"...in comparison to FILLING UP your Blacklist weekly..."

I doubt you would feel the need to add 200 friends on the path to level 15 (just once, mind you) just so you can communicate with them through an alternative means.

Or that that would even be possible pre-15 unless you yourself were a spammer.

And yes, because it's so alienating to help cause new players to make friends with people in the game...

[Viridiana]

Please pay more close attention when reading my posts.

I did, and I have issues with what you're saying. As you yourself point out, players below lvl 15 can't enter any dungeons, so partying with them just to communicate means I can no longer do any dungeons; I can't invite them to my FC, nor join their FC if they have one already; and I don't want to have to create an LS just to facilitate short conversations with players I may never talk to again after one conversation.

And, yes, I think it would be slightly alienating to say, "We don't trust you enough to let you send tells. Try again later." Maybe alienating's not the best word, but it would certainly color my first impressions of the game, that's for sure.

[Gesser]

Snip.

You're right, alienating isn't the right word.

Marginally inconvenient for a limited time is more like it.

Also, why would anyone feel the need to party with a pre-15 just to chat who's 1) not a friend 2) not an FC member & 3) a stranger.

If they need help, add them so they can phrase questions to you as needed.

Sorry, but in my opinion, your rare examples are just so utterly outlandish.

Friend add is two-clicks just like blacklist-add.

Also please don't lie or pretend, you clearly didn't read my prior post carefully. Read again if you need.

[Nicobo]

I suggest the system auto ban someone from tell/yell/shout when n players blacklist him in n minutes.

[Lithera]

Option to receive tells only from friends list would be nice.

Or the one option in FFXI that kinda worked. Block shouts, tells, etc. that flags as spam. Problem with that one is that you can bypass it with creative typing/writing and whoever at SE would need to update it every once so often and it could potentially block legit messages.

This filter is in the game and yes they bypass it by putting a random set of characters at the beginning or end of the posts so the game thinks each shout/tell is a different message along with using gibberish characters to write out URLs etc.

[Zaiken]

Easy fix, no PMs unless they are on your friends list.

That is really dumb, what if need to ask something about your Party Finder? What if I want to reply to someone yelling for a Turn or help with something? Or someone who buying something or selling something?

It just make it more complicated everytime to request friends first. There is more simple solution to this, just limit /tell to every 3 minutes. Or just track for same message in /tell or shout in short perioud of time, that person is automatic flag as spam and will be mute for one hours. It it continue extend to 24 hours, etc.

[Lithera]

The RMT spam bots are mostly level 50s. There's a post somewhere with a real good picture of a whole group of them in Ul'dah.

[Viridiana]

You're right, alienating isn't the right word.

Marginally inconvenient for a limited time is more like it.

I'm just saying that if I join a game and the game forbids me from sending tells for the first 15 levels, that's going to impact my impression of it. Is it a huge influence? Probably not to me, but considering the things I've seen people threaten to quit over, I wouldn't be surprised. . .

Also, why would anyone feel the need to party with a pre-15 just to chat who's 1) not a friend 2) not an FC member & 3) a stranger.

If they need help, add them so they can phrase questions to you as needed.

No one, because it can be done by /t instead. If the person has one simple question, there's no need to add them to friends list, the FC, the LS, or the party.

Sorry, but in my opinion, your rare examples are just so utterly outlandish.

What rare examples? The idea that I would want to be in a dungeon and thus can't invite a lowbie into my party? Because that's not rare. Or do you mean the idea that I have 3 modes of communication filtered out? Because those are spammed more often than /t, in my experience.

Friend add is two-clicks just like blacklist-add.

Click the bubble that pops up, click their name, click Accept Friend Request. That's three. Or I can click my blist macro, then click Yes. That's two.

Also please don't lie or pretend, you clearly didn't read my prior post carefully. Read again if you need.

Are you still going on about this part?

Please pay more close attention when reading my posts.

"...in comparison to FILLING UP your Blacklist weekly..."

Because, as I've said already, I've never filled up my blist. Ever. Many days I play without encountering a single RMT. On heavy days I might get a half dozen. Unless when you say "filling up" you mean "increasing the contents of" and not "making full." I had kinda assumed you meant the latter.

[Gesser]

You obviously aren't reading my posts carefully enough. Just stop bothering please, it's beginning to get trolly unfortunately :/.

Friend-ADDING can be done in two-clicks, right-click left-click in chat.

And if you're gonna complain about click-count then bring macros into it, then you could just as well macro friend-requesting as you could blacklisting... it appears you're just trying to throw points out to belittle my side of the debate at this point.

You cited one rare example in your reply. If you feel the need to have a full-blown conversation with a lowbie stranger but are in a dire queue (or wish to) then friend-add them or add to LS.

"Are you still going on about this part?", again, more needless abrasion. Yes I am because, read below.

I did mean the latter, you keep skipping the point of the comparison I was making. Read back once more, further this time.

[Kuroyasha]