with this mindset the future looks dim

[xenosuke1]

I feel it's coming from the console people who have never played MMOs but only first person shooter type games, where kids and bad manners are rife.

u need to sit down and take a real long hard look at the idiocy you posted, if you really wanna talk about bad manners all you gotta do is look in the mirror, your trying to single out a very smal playerbase without any proof i might add. pc outnumbers console by 4 to 1 its not just coming from one poticular group so dont try to cheery pick, so here ima give u alot proof to back up my statement.

wow is pc, guild wars 2 is pc, league of legends pc, swtor is pc, i can name tons that are pc and have horrible communities where console players havent touched, hmm man the proof is startin to add up. this has got to be the only game so far that has pc/console together so tell me out of all the mmos. which player base has contributed the most to toxic enviorments hmm? do your homework before you post dumb thoughts.

another thing im going to add, pc ppl helped create alot of tumoil for console players always blaming them excluding them from dungeons and or raids but i will add i do not see that so much anymore, but it makes you wonder maybe you pc players helped make alot of angry console players with bad manners, sry had to put a lil rant in there i jus get real bad reactions when i run into idiots.

[Rosy]

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OK let's go through those games and see the issues shall we? WoW....developed and introduced by Blizzard who until entering the mmo world developed mainly first person shooters...and yup they all joined the mmo world. GW2....never played it and haven't felt the urge to either, as that is not a "proper" mmo in the sense of the genre, LoL...well lol ...seriously? an mmo? swtor...once again it's a "star wars fan game"...not a fantasy mmo, a science fiction mmo, and yes you DO get a different type of person playing fantasy and scifi.

Please do not blame your bad manners onto other folks. Your manners are your responsibility, and if you have none, don't expect to get very far. Do you know why console players weren't particularly welcomed with open arms? Nothing to do with manners at all...they moved slower, didn't communicate and with this game and it's ridiculous server lag, they would normally be the ones to cause wipes for not getting out of stuff quickly enough. It's not so bad now...but at the beginning it was noticable.

I'm assuming English isn't your first language? ...nevertheless I did manage to make sense of your post

[Solieri]

OK let's go through those games and see the issues shall we? WoW....developed and introduced by Blizzard who until entering the mmo world developed mainly first person shooters...

Just FYI, Blizzard has made exactly zero first person shooters. Funny comment from someone who was harping on "new MMO players" pages back. The way I'm looking at it, you seem like the new one. Modern MMOs have different gameplay than FFXI and other older genration MMOs, which I'm guessing is about all you've probably played. End game content is harder than it used to be, and research is one of the expectations that has come with it. This is not new to this game. It exists in every recent MMO that I have played (and I actually have played a lot). Expecting to be taught everything by a random group of players in complex, multi-phase fights is pretty rude.

[Magis]

Just FYI, Blizzard has made exactly zero first person shooters. Funny comment from someone who was harping on "new MMO players" pages back. The way I'm looking at it, you seem like the new one. Modern MMOs have different gameplay than FFXI and other older genration MMOs, which I'm guessing is about all you've probably played. End game content is harder than it used to be, and research is one of the expectations that has come with it. This is not new to this game. It exists in every recent MMO that I have played (and I actually have played a lot). Expecting to be taught everything by a random group of players in complex, multi-phase fights is pretty rude.

Well there was Starcraft: Ghost, but RIP that game.

[Rosy]

Just FYI, Blizzard has made exactly zero first person shooters. Funny comment from someone who was harping on "new MMO players" pages back. The way I'm looking at it, you seem like the new one. Modern MMOs have different gameplay than FFXI and other older genration MMOs, which I'm guessing is about all you've probably played. End game content is harder than it used to be, and research is one of the expectations that has come with it. This is not new to this game. It exists in every recent MMO that I have played (and I actually have played a lot). Expecting to be taught everything by a random group of players in complex, multi-phase fights is pretty rude.

Oh sorry.....not first person shooters...console racing games and the such...but they were primarily CONSOLE developers and strategy games, NOT mmorpgs....and no I haven't played any Final Fantasy games before this one...as I don't play console games.

But yes...it exists in every RECENT mmo...which was the point of my post.....RECENT.

FYI I started playing mmos in 1997, having alpha tested several of the big ones and closed beta tested many...so no, not new

[Viridiana]

Oh sorry.....not first person shooters...console racing games and the such...but they were primarily CONSOLE developers and strategy games, NOT mmorpgs....and no I haven't played any Final Fantasy games before this one...as I don't play console games.

Umm. . . SE has made at least as many console racing games as Blizzard has, and has certainly released more console games in general than Blizzard has. Why are you using this to bash Blizzard, again?

[Rosy]

Umm. . . SE has made at least as many console racing games as Blizzard has, and has certainly released more console games in general than Blizzard has. Why are you using this to bash Blizzard, again?

*sighs*....which was my original point!!