with this mindset the future looks dim

[Tiggy]

Honestly I think that if the world were a more slower pace people would probably lean at being more tolerant, that and if we also had to depend on one another more outside of coil. Explaining things probably wouldn't feel so mundane. This game makes people feel that things need to be done with absolute perfection, anything else is fodder for the birds. But I really do consider the pacing playing a huge part here. Jerks are everywhere but during my short time in FFXI never did I feel so rushed.

I'd agree with this assessment. The pace of battle definitely leads to this type of environment. Especially when the battles have so many mechanics that cause instant wipes when you miss them.

[Bizniztyme]

People clearly forget that there was the FFXI wiki back then with printed strategies for how to do fights with different party setups. Yes, we didn't have youtube, but we did have walkthroughs that you were expected to read ahead of time. Youtube didn't suddenly change things. Prior research was still expected.



My time is my time to waste as I see fit. Not yours. Not anyone. You are not the one who puts a value on my time. I am.

You're responses to these points paint a very good picture of your attitude. You don't care about anyone but yourself to the point you insult people blatantly when they value their time more than you. You don't care at all for them. Only for you and your yourself.

LOL, way to judge there. Too funny.

[Clavaat]

Strategies may be different, and that is something you will need to discuss with your own group, but video guides will still inform you about the different phases of a boss fight and about the attacks they use.

You still have the same issue as if you were going in blind, though, in that you enter, you know what's going to happen, but don't know how to handle it for your group. And then there's the miscommunication of "well this is how I've always done it" "this is what I read" etc. For something like Titan EX that's 1 true pattern, this is a little more viable, but for BC (even T1 has all kinds of strategies I've never heard of), the fight can completely change. I get your point, but I don't think it's that simple.

[Mysteltain]

You know, I remember the days when MMOs were all about being social. Y'know, back when you'd get in a random group, people would start chatting casually with each other, and nobody flipped their **** because "U DIDN'T REED THE GIDE U SCRUB! GTFO!" I love explaining fights to players, because I realized very early on something that so many elitists have ignored: You create the community you play with.

I prefer to be in a community where people have no problems being social, and where they help each other out without considering it to be an inconvenience. If someone doesn't know a fight, I'll explain the basics to them in a minute or two (that's with using a PS3 keyboard, mind you), and then we all try it out. If we wipe, we'll either try again or do a quick breakdown of what went wrong, then make a new attempt. My hope is that by doing this, the new players aren't afraid to ask for help should they need it later, and that they'll also be willing to help others out after having been helped themselves. Is that a corny idea? Heck yes. But I'd rather try to help make a community like that than live in the one where everybody's hostile to anyone who's new.

[Tiggy]

LOL, way to judge there. Too funny.

It's your responses I'm basing that off of. If that's not the picture you want to paint then I suggest you look at the words you use to talk to people and the meanings they convey. You very clearly come across as only caring for yourself. If this is not correct then please start acting in a way that proves it otherwise. You act just like any other troll who turns to insults and disparagement the moment holes get poked through their story.

[Tiraelina]

How many years are we going to go on with expecting everyone else to know everything in a random group?

Getting a few notes about a fight is also incomparable to watching a video of it in terms of spoilers.

[JTribal]

I haven't had time to read all of the comments, but I wanted to put my two cents in XD

A few weeks ago, I would have completely agreed, and I still somewhat agree with what the OP is saying. He used DF, and anyone else that's using DF should not expect to be grouped with an entire party that meets their standards.

With that in mind, I've recently joined a raid group and started new coil, in addition to old coil as well. When it comes to end game content such as coil, my expectations have changed. Some of those fights can be extremely complicated, and take WAY too much time to explain to someone, especially if you're not communicating verbally. One mistake and your team could potentially wipe because of you.Turn 4 is a pretty good example, since there are six phases and no breaks in between to explain things.

[JTribal]

I guess what I'm trying to say to the OP is that I know it really sucks to spoil content by watching a video, but sometimes you're going to have to do it if you want to avoid the scenario you described. I would say ask your FC before trying a new raid or dungeon, and get their opinion. If they say it's super easy, don't waste your time looking up the fight. But if your friends say you should look it up before you try it, it's probably for the better, so you don't end up wasting your time having to deal with rude people, and seven other people don't end up wasting their time arguing about it.

Best of luck to you in your future Coil endeavors XD

[JemC]

I keep seeing the phrase "wasting my time" and I'm curious just where are you going in the next couple minutes? Wedding? Meeting with the President? If you are in such a big fat hurry maybe you aught not be playing mmorpg's which waste more time than anything I know. Put down that red bull, buddy, and do your homework before you get on the game. And if not consider the only real use of an mmo is getting practice in being polite to other human beings. A quality you could use in real life?

*Btw peeps if you edit your posts you will not have to double post.

[Sebastos]

A little off the main subject of this thread but I don't quite understand the "rush". The don't waste my time mentality with a healthy dose this is a make or break moment. I understand not wanting to fail and being prepared for any dungeon run, and agree as a tank you should be prepared since you're lead. Myself, I only have 2 hours a night to play so I don't want to lose but at the same time I've paid for 30 days, I will play again tomorrow. Getting a rare drop just means I'm one step closer to having nothing to do in game till new content. So what is the rush? I understand not wanting to lose but once you are fully maxed geared will you leave the game voiding your hard work for virtual items or bum around till new content?