with this mindset the future looks dim

[Logo]

i can agree with other ppl caring about wipes but he has a really gd point ppl go too batshit crazy about wipes, accidents happen the occasional oops will occur with the best of us. so he is not technically being selfish, u see selfishness and consideration is like a double edged sword it cuts both ways

Accidents aren't accidents when its cause by being ill prepared.

again...

[Bizniztyme]

2/10 - Too obvious

Yup, obviously I hit a nerve. lol

[Magis]

Man, things got real shit between when I stopped playing XI and WoW (vanilla) to now. No one told people to "go look at a Youtube" video for fights. They'd explain the fight to newbies. Now people act like helping people is some difficult chore. I guess when you can play the game without talking to people from 1-50, actually communicating to someone (outside of a <Hello!> autotranslate) is too difficult for some. I blame the DF.

[Nadrojj]

I was just in a T4 run that just started off with a bang... here is a screenshot of the chat, I have a brown line through my name green line through his, and circled what was said after I asked what I needed to know, I hid all the names,


I've also seen people get ripped if they didn't play a job the way someone else does (or like earlier was just told they "sucked at your job" but no advice whatsoever) then looked up the character and found they "MIGHT" have it unlocked but that's it, here's an idea instead of ripping on someone give advice, and not cut them down.

You're DF'ing t4, you should not hinder the people who are actually looking for a win by going in without knowing anything about the fight. If you were a melee dps you could beat your face against the keyboard, but your'e a tank. You need to know the strat so your group doesn't have to wipe 5 times before you actually know what is going on. Yes the people who originally beat the fight and posted their strategies did not know the fight before going in, but you're way behind that curve. Why would you specifically go into a fight blind when there is a plethora of information available to you?

The OMG I WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE EXPERIENCE FIRST AND PLAY A GAME INSTEAD OF WATCHING A YOUTUBE VIDEO excuse is why you will always see DF groups have very small margins of success.

[Bizniztyme]

It may be a game, but my time is not. The time of those 7 other people in your party is not a game. That's real. That's something I can put a value on. That society can put a value on. What a job clearly puts value on. Your attitude is the kind that comes into a party and wastes the valuable time of players because you can't spend a few minutes to watch a video.

Yup, your time is so precious you waste it on pixels. lol

[Tiggy]

Man, things got real shit between when I stopped playing XI and WoW (vanilla) to now. No one told people to "go look at a Youtube" video for fights. They'd explain the fight to newbies. Now people act like helping people is some difficult chore. I guess when you can play the game without talking to people from 1-50, actually communicating to someone (outside of a <Hello!> autotranslate) is too difficult for some.

People clearly forget that there was the FFXI wiki back then with printed strategies for how to do fights with different party setups. Yes, we didn't have youtube, but we did have walkthroughs that you were expected to read ahead of time. Youtube didn't suddenly change things. Prior research was still expected.

Yup, your time is so precious you waste it on pixels. lol

My time is my time to waste as I see fit. Not yours. Not anyone. You are not the one who puts a value on my time. I am.

You're responses to these points paint a very good picture of your attitude. You don't care about anyone but yourself to the point you insult people blatantly when they value their time more than you. You don't care at all for them. Only for you and your yourself.

[Clavaat]

A few points to note here:

1. A lot of videos/guides are dated, haven't been updated with newer content or strategies in mind.
2. They are often recorded and/or written with 1 strategy, 1 team setup, 1 way of handling enemies. Not all fights, T4 and T5 in particular, have 1 way and 1 way only of handling the fight and some may work better for different party compositions than others.
3. A lot of video/guides contradict each other. This often goes hand-in-hand with points 1 and 2.
4. There are different kinds of learners. Videos may not help, but reading would, and vice versa. For a lot of people, just trying it with a general idea of what's going to happen is best. Whether or not they skimmed beforehand, or someone gives an annotated version specific to their job, it shouldn't matter. Until you are actually in the thick of it, you don't know how you're going to do, regardless of previous info.

I totally see both sides of this. From my perspective, videos and guides are not incredibly helpful, but spoken/written words from a player in real time are much more effective. That's just me. Improving the quality and actually editing guides and videos, I may be more prone to one side, but it just isn't that way right now. I learn best from making mistakes as opposed to studying. College wasn't fun for me lmao

[TeaTimeBear]

People clearly forget that there was the FFXI wiki back then with printed strategies for how to do fights with different party setups. Yes, we didn't have youtube, but we did have walkthroughs that you were expected to read ahead of time. Youtube didn't suddenly change things. Prior research was still expected.

Honestly I think that if the world were a more slower pace people would probably lean at being more tolerant, that and if we also had to depend on one another more outside of coil. Explaining things probably wouldn't feel so mundane. This game makes people feel that things need to be done with absolute perfection, anything else is fodder for the birds. But I really do consider the pacing playing a huge part here. Jerks are everywhere but during my short time in FFXI never did I feel so rushed.

I'm not quite sure how best to describe it, forgive me. But something is definitely off about Eorzea's environment.

[Odett]

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Strategies may be different, and that is something you will need to discuss with your own group, but video guides will still inform you about the different phases of a boss fight and about the attacks they use. It's not even studying, it's 5-10 minutes of watching a video that can be done while you're waiting in the queue for the fight.

[Airikay]

I just don't understand one thing, people talk about experiencing content and exploring, but they go in asking the party for an explanation on what to do, so what is the difference between looking it up beforehand and having someone write down to you what you would have looked up?

This should've been end of topic. Seriously, why bother asking someone else to explain it then if you want to experience it? What's the difference with someone explaining it with visuals on YouTube and someone in your party explaining it?

Honestly, if it is 6 month old content its just polite to look it up for others. New content like leviathan is fine, make a learning party in PF and state that. Stay away from DF, it's a cancer.