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  1. #551
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    See, it's very tempting. So easy to separate the people who are skilled from those who might be skilled.

    It will be disappointing if too many of the groups at the beginning of 2.3 (arguably the best time to run it while everyone's learning) start to adopt this practice

    Raiders pay the same monthly fees, no? And this isn't entitlement?
    They pay the same, but they put more effort and "work" into it. Yes, I used the word work. It wasn't the players who decided games should reward you more if you do more difficult content, it was game creators.

    You pay the same, that doesn't mean you get the same without the same effort. Paying just gives you the same opportunities.
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    Adol Giantbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    They pay the same, but they put more effort and "work" into it. Yes, I used the word work. It wasn't the players who decided games should reward you more if you do more difficult content, it was game creators.

    You pay the same, that doesn't mean you get the same without the same effort. Paying just gives you the same opportunities.
    It is my understanding that the developers changed "the best gear available to everyone" to "the best gear in coil" solely because they wanted more people to attempt coil.

    I'm curious what they would do if they didn't see a significant increase in the number of people doing coil.
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  3. #553
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Quote Originally Posted by juniglee View Post
    Gormogon for president.
    I say replace Yoshida with him now

    Ramuh will have some 10 way lightning but fear not, the cast time is 10s. Even with 1,000ms ping you can still dodge it. Enough time to hard cast a raise/resurrection and the dude still can move to safety after being raised.

    Prolly drop i110 accessories with stats like +18 DEX/STR/MND/INT, +19 ACC + 18 Crit + 12 DET +19SS/SKS with all elemental and status anomoly resistance +20
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  4. #554
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    Omni Selway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    I say replace Yoshida with him now

    Ramuh will have some 10 way lightning but fear not, the cast time is 10s. Even with 1,000ms ping you can still dodge it. Enough time to hard cast a raise/resurrection and the dude still can move to safety after being raised.

    Prolly drop i110 accessories with stats like +18 DEX/STR/MND/INT, +19 ACC + 18 Crit + 12 DET +19SS/SKS with all elemental and status anomoly resistance +20
    He would probably just have every piece of gear available to be purchased from Rowena for 10gil a piece.
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  5. #555
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    Delenia Forcentis
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmniEx View Post
    He would probably just have every piece of gear available to be purchased from Rowena for 10gil a piece.
    Nah we just need a Gormogon gearset.

    - Immunity to knockbacks, pulls, debuffs, interrupts
    - Reduces all damage taken by 90%
    - Increases DPS by 90%
    - Being the last member standing activates Hallowed Ground for 30 minutes

    Available from Rowena for 10gil a piece
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  6. #556
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    Raiders pay the same monthly fees, no? And this isn't entitlement?
    i think it's similar to going to the gym. you pay the same fees for the equipment as the ripped macho guys, but you don't get to be like them if you don't work hard for it. or something like that.
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  7. #557
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmniEx View Post
    He would probably just have every piece of gear available to be purchased from Rowena for 10gil a piece.
    Quote Originally Posted by juniglee View Post
    Nah we just need a Gormogon gearset.

    - Immunity to knockbacks, pulls, debuffs, interrupts
    - Reduces all damage taken by 90%
    - Increases DPS by 90%
    - Being the last member standing activates Hallowed Ground for 30 minutes

    Available from Rowena for 10gil a piece
    What, 10gil from Rowena, you mean I have to get to Mor Dhona and walk over to her? I thought it's either via moogle mail or auto drop to inventory
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  8. #558
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    What, 10gil from Rowena, you mean I have to get to Mor Dhona and walk over to her? I thought it's either via moogle mail or auto drop to inventory
    But wait, there's another catch!

    You have to be using all parts of that set, otherwise, the set bonus disappears, and your character becomes naked.

    I'm sure we can get Yoshida to put a Rowena's assistant in every major town and sanctuary. Please look forward to it.
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  9. #559
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    Gormogon Maxwell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    It is my understanding that the developers changed "the best gear available to everyone" to "the best gear in coil" solely because they wanted more people to attempt coil.

    I'm curious what they would do if they didn't see a significant increase in the number of people doing coil.
    What just about every MMO does, nerf it or find ways to tone it down and make it more mainstream and accessible. People already complain about DF + Echo yet there's no other alternative that will get the rest of the community to try and tolerate difficulty content like some Primals and Coil that is not fun at all to do. Which is a shame because there's way to get people to attempt coil but those methods are long forgotten it seems.
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  10. #560
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    Captnyan Meowpants
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmniEx View Post
    He would probably just have every piece of gear available to be purchased from Rowena for 10gil a piece.
    No it has to be like other FF games because they are all well balanced games while we shouldn't be taking ideas from other mmos like WoW. So you get ready for coil by grinding fates for a Laguna card and converting it to 99 holy wars. No more one shot mechanics!
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