Best Gear in Coil needs to end

[Nel_Celestine]

What I like about the SE's decision is it rewards players who are more dedicated and skilled with better gear. Back during 2.1 when everyone had access to i90 you had people with full i90 who didn't know jack about how to play their classes everywhere in the PF. But at least now if I start up a PF and set the ilvl at 105 I know that only players that are good enough to clear second coil turns can join and if they're good enough for SCoB they're good enough for any other content that's currently in the game. I know people are gonna bring up the gear=/= skill argument and all, but at least now that 110 isnt handed out everywhere it's a better indicator than it was previously.

Nice to know that skilled players that haven't gotten gear from second coil aren't permitted into your party finder due to RNG.


Edit: you will ALWAYS have idiots that don't know how to play. The problem with 2.0 and 2.1 there was Fates giving retarded amounts of exp. So people leveled by spamming skills until dungeons were buffed. That has nothing, NOTHING, to do with the item level.

People seem to be cheering to have every single piece of high level gear behind second coil but yet I'm positive they will be the first to bitch AGAIN about how there is nothing to do when they log in beat coil on Tuesday and cap Soldiery. The purpose of this topic and others like it is to get more options outside coil. Equal difficulty. Gear not labeled High-Allagan. Possibly re-runable content with a weekly loot lockout of 1 or 2 that drops Oil/Sands/unidentified tome.

THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR ROWENA HANDOUTS
THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR FREE GEAR AND BEING LAZY
THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TIED TO COIL
THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE TIME AND GET THEM EVENTUALLY TO THE SAME POINT AS THOSE WHO RUSH COIL AND GEAR ALL THEIR GEAR FIRST


Gawd!

[OmniEx]

People seem to be cheering to have every single piece of high level gear behind second coil but yet I'm positive they will be the first to bitch AGAIN about how there is nothing to do when they log in beat coil on Tuesday and cap Soldiery. The purpose of this topic and others like it is to get more options outside coil. Equal difficulty. Gear not labeled High-Allagan. Possibly re-runable content with a weekly loot lockout of 1 or 2 that drops Oil/Sands/unidentified tome.

THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR ROWENA HANDOUTS
THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR FREE GEAR AND BEING LAZY
THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TIED TO COIL
THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE TIME AND GET THEM EVENTUALLY TO THE SAME POINT AS THOSE WHO RUSH COIL AND GEAR ALL THEIR GEAR FIRST


Gawd!

So you're saying people want to do something that takes them a long time but eventually results in the same rewards as doing coil. But there's the problem you see, top tier gear should only come from the hardest challenges in the game and for just about every MMO i've ever played the hardest content is a raid. Just because something takes a long time to get doesn't make it hard content. The atma farming is a lengthy process for example but would anyone actually call it hard? Hell no.

[Gormogon]

But there's the problem you see, top tier gear should only come from the hardest challenges in the game

By your logic everyone should be doing coil naked then.

[OmniEx]

By your logic everyone should be doing coil naked then.

OR you know people could come into coil with the second best tier of gear and be rewarded with the top tier of gear for defeating the hardest content in the game. OH WAIT! that's currently what's happening now isn't it? So I don't see what point you were trying to make if any.

[Nel_Celestine]

So you're saying people want to do something that takes them a long time but eventually results in the same rewards as doing coil. But there's the problem you see, top tier gear should only come from the hardest challenges in the game and for just about every MMO i've ever played the hardest content is a raid. Just because something takes a long time to get doesn't make it hard content. The atma farming is a lengthy process for example but would anyone actually call it hard? Hell no.

since you missed it in the very post you quoted, allow me to repeat with bold underline and italics.

The purpose of this topic and others like it is to get more options outside coil. Equal difficulty. Gear not labeled High-Allagan. Possibly re-runable content with a weekly loot lockout of 1 or 2 that drops Oil/Sands/unidentified tome.

[OmniEx]

since you missed it in the very post you quoted, allow me to repeat with bold underline and italics.

The purpose of this topic and others like it is to get more options outside coil. Equal difficulty. Gear not labeled High-Allagan. Possibly re-runable content with a weekly loot lockout of 1 or 2 that drops Oil/Sands/unidentified tome.

So put simply another raid like Coil then but with a different name and seperate lockout?

[Nel_Celestine]

more options. Something that can be done more regularly. Same difficulty level but possibly an easier learning curve. Something other then funneling every god damn thing into one dungeon.

[saber_alter]

So you're saying people want to do something that takes them a long time but eventually results in the same rewards as doing coil.

no, they are asking for something at a similar difficulty level than coil, and with rewards on the same ilvl, but drops allagan sands/oils.

But there's the problem you see, top tier gear should only come from the hardest challenges in the game and for just about every MMO i've ever played the hardest content is a raid.

and those games also have multiple raids, not just one. they also have a good bit of horizontal progression, mixing and matching, min-maxing.

Just because something takes a long time to get doesn't make it hard content. The atma farming is a lengthy process for example but would anyone actually call it hard? Hell no.

the same can be said of grinding coil. do you have it on farm? yes. is it hard? not any more! once you have content down to a science it no longer becomes difficult. its just a one-hour grind with a weekly lockout. just look at the first coil, if even if we took echo off, it wouldn't be considered hard, because almost everyone knows the content.

[OmniEx]

more options. Something that can be done more regularly. Same difficulty level but possibly an easier learning curve. Something other then funneling every god damn thing into one dungeon.

What could S-Enix possibly implement, that fits that criteria that isn't a raid though? 5 New primal fights like Titan Ex but tuned for i90-100 players would be the closest thing I could think of.

And no if it has a easier learning curve the fight probably means it's more forgiving which has to mean its not as difficult as another similar fight.

[OmniEx]

no, they are asking for something at a similar difficulty level than coil, and with rewards on the same ilvl, but drops allagan sands/oils. and those games also have multiple raids, not just one. they also have a good bit of horizontal progression, mixing and matching, min-maxing.
the same can be said of grinding coil. do you have it on farm? yes. is it hard? not any more! once you have content down to a science it no longer becomes difficult. its just a one-hour grind with a weekly lockout. just look at the first coil, if even if we took echo off, it wouldn't be considered hard, because almost everyone knows the content.

1) IF people are asking for more raids then bring it on, im 100% okay with that. Hypothetically if tomorrow S-enix released a patch with another raid that worked in a fashion similar to coil and dropped equal gear I would have no problem with that. But for some reason I don't think everyone who is complaining about not being to get 110 gear would be happy with that solution even though they have more of the options that they wanted apparently.
2) Just because I have a fight on farm doesn't make it objectively less of a hard fight. I can have t9 on farm and I also may have t1 on farm. Because I have them both on farm can I then say objectively T1=T9?