Suggestion, make light party content tank/dps/healer/support

[Alistaire]

Lol, what kind of thread is this?

Welcome to the official forums. It's that kind of thread.

[Kaela]

2. I don't see how worst of the 5 dps is one of the best.

Yet you play bard yourself? You must have problems with your rotation or something. Cause I know my bard can put out more dps than melee and mages on most cases.

Either way, what you are suggesting will never happen. SCH is a HEALING job. It is NOT SUPPORT. I've seen SCHs SOLO heal end game primals. Which I would say put them pretty much on par with a whm on healing. What you are suggesting with put everything out of balance verses the way it is now(Higher que times for anyone who plays a dps mainly). So again, thanks for the suggestion, but no.

[UBERHAXED]

Yet you play bard yourself? You must have problems with your rotation or something. Cause I know my bard can put out more dps than melee and mages on most cases.

Either way, what you are suggesting will never happen. SCH is a HEALING job. It is NOT SUPPORT. I've seen SCHs SOLO heal end game primals. Which I would say put them pretty much on par with a whm on healing. What you are suggesting with put everything out of balance verses the way it is now(Higher que times for anyone who plays a dps mainly). So again, thanks for the suggestion, but no.

I played all DPS classes and it's simply not possible for bard to pass any of the other classes. Before you say anything stupid in response, check out the battle forums for a quick moment and see how good players play dragoon, monk, black mage and summoner. Also lol didn't know 1 move was a rotation. Refreshing dots and buffs when they drop off is common sense. They aren't any "rotation".

[XNihili]

Support doesn't mean bad.

Gotta love how all the Scholar's are like "Nuuuuuuuuuuuuu".

Honestly what we need is Hybrid AND Support roles.

Scholar's and Warrior's can go in Hybrid.

The party finder need a tank and a healer.
We have a WAR, a SCH and a bunch of DPS. Meaning a hybrid and a support, no tank nor healer. Damn ...
If we tinker around the duty finder so that we can use a support instead of a healer, it wouldn't work much either.

[yahhzoo]

Scholars are healers. Plain and simple. I don't think putting them in the support category would help diversify the duty finder and how it makes parties.

[Noahlimits]

Can't believe I read all 8 pages of this.

The TLDR for anyone who doesn't want to waste their time doing so:

People who think SCH isn't as good as WHM and should be support: Uberhaxed
People who think SCH is just as good if not better than WHM in single target healing: Everyone else

Also very telling when there's 8+ pages of people responding and the OP's suggestion has 0 likes.

[Alistaire]

Yeah it's a huge derail from the point of conversation that the whole idea is terrible in the first place, especially when they're about to add a new job that'd fit in that category. Hey guys let's take this new concept that a lot of people are gonna want to play, then put them all in one single-file line for being able to participate in dungeons! ...average wait time? What's that about?

[Moirear]

Do you play scholar?
Eos has (and only has) the healing buff, damage reduction, and regen. Selene has silence, spell speed boost, skill speed boost.

Edit:
First sentence should read: "Bro, do you even Scholar?"

Eh, I play all the jobs and haven't played SCH a lot lately, so misremembered the different ability placement on the two fairies when I quickly wrote a post. Big deal. My point still stands: their support abilities are split between the two fairies, switching them mid-combat being not the best idea limiting their specific support uses. Eos allows for some serious power-healing. In fact, I've had a lot of in-game discussions where I'd argue that SCH is technically the overall more powerful healer than WHM.

The question is: bro, do YOU even Scholar? Because if anybody thinks SCH is an inferior healer to WHM, they've obviously never played one, or hell, even had one in the group. Oddly you seem to have SCH50 in your forum avatar right now, so I'm baffled as to why you'd argue this.


That aside, you completely ignored the point relevant to your own topic that I and now several others have raised, which is that there need to be way more support role jobs to justify a split on the DF, otherwise it bottlenecks the DF unnecessarily. Why is it a good idea to have one role with only one job in it? For instance, BRD being the only support role job in some people's theorycrafting, or WHM being the only healer role job in your example?

This would create a situation like with the tank shortage, only with different roles. The only good point it would have is that it would prevent the DPS slots being filled only with BRD and thus taking any dps LB capabilities away from a party.

[Kaela]

I played all DPS classes and it's simply not possible for bard to pass any of the other classes. Before you say anything stupid in response, check out the battle forums for a quick moment and see how good players play dragoon, monk, black mage and summoner. Also lol didn't know 1 move was a rotation. Refreshing dots and buffs when they drop off is common sense. They aren't any "rotation".

Bard is cut and dry. I will admit. Keep up straight shot buff on yourself. Apply dots, use bloodletter and misery's end when up. When nothing else use Heavy Shot. But you are still ignoring the fact that they have 100% up time on an enemy in most fights. Ontop of Aoe for larger pulls. They can give Foe's Requiem for extra damage for others. So they supply support and a large amount of dps on their own.

If you ignore this and everything else everyone says. Then it is your problem not ours.

[UBERHAXED]

Can't believe I read all 8 pages of this.

The TLDR for anyone who doesn't want to waste their time doing so:

People who think SCH isn't as good as WHM and should be support: Uberhaxed
People who think SCH is just as good if not better than WHM in single target healing: Everyone else

Also very telling when there's 8+ pages of people responding and the OP's suggestion has 0 likes.

Still waiting to find the post where you quote me saying scholar isn't a good as white mage. But reading comprehension is a lost art.