Idea - How to finish with the RMT.

[Adrian74]

I'll add another idea, the brutal idea. This one will receive critics because the method, but... It will work, HAS to work. As someone said, the only way for stop RMT would be try to convince everyone for not use their services... Yes, this would kill RMT from the root, indeed, but... It is utopic, if we could convince people so easy, many of the problems of this world would be solved already...The bigger a group to convince is, the closest it is to impossible.

That said, what does it works nowadays with the people? What does really stop persons, or 'convinces' them without do it? Threatening, yes, that's it, it is how our whole law systems works after all, many people don't commet crimes because they know something bad would happen if they do... Else wouldn't they do whatever they want?... Sure they would. People in this forum that is pissed off express their annoyance to Square Enix, but they don't dare to insult, is it because they are polite? Of course not, because they fear a ban. And I'm totally sure that if insults against Square Enix wouldn't be a ban, we would see many here, am I right? Actually trying to stop the drugs in some countries, they are focusing more in punishing those who buy the drugs, that those who are selling them, this would be the same.

SE could also give a big scale action against RMT just by punishing the players that acquire the services of the gil sellers. And this can be really easy to see and know... Like most of the MMORPG games, I want to suppose that FFXIV has a nice database with fine logs where you can search the transactions between players, check the biggest amounts and weirdest ones and investigate, where did that player obtain the money or how? Was it endlessly grinding in a dungeon with other four of strange names?....

Whatever I want to mean is that.. Actually SE could advise the players that hire those type of services that it is against the terms of service and their accounts will be banned. That way, taking actions against the players that buy RMT, you really make most of them drop the idea to even try it... At least, me, thinking like a player, wouldn't risk my account just for having more gil and probably a big percent wouldn't...

Thins is just... Advise players that you can take actions against them for this, and, also, prove that you have the needed tools for catching doing it... Without customers, RMT would stop with the time, and if you even fuse it with others idea for making RMT a pain because needing to manually do prompts...

Basically, it is a change of focus, instead of having someone checking if someone is RMT and then ban, have someone checking the logs and suspicious transactions. Or just checking who is earning money in an area, farming there constantly, and then investigate the transactions that one make... There are a lot of options once you have everything stored in your sql.

And remember, there are way more bots than players buying gil. So it will always be easier to discover players who buy, than discover all the damn bots and try to ban them all just to achieve nothing.

[Amnesia]

Can I add this to the main post too?

Sure.

And I heartily support the idea of suspending/banning "legit" players' accounts who trade with gilsellers. If people could be made afraid of dealing with RMTs, then the spam would stop.

[Adrian74]

Sure.

And I heartily support the idea of suspending/banning "legit" players' accounts who trade with gilsellers. If people could be made afraid of dealing with RMTs, then the spam would stop.

Thanks, and aye... Call me a fool or naive if you want, but... I really really think that, if people know that they are not able to buy gil because they'll get banned, and SE will know they bought it. (And they really can know it) then they wouldn't even try, by fear.

It is said.. That there's almost no RMT in japanese servers, I can't know if that's certain because didn't try... But, if that is... Maybe... Maybe...It is because people is not buying there?

[kidvideo]

RMT's were off the hook last night... bam, /blacklist, bam, /blacklist, bam, /blacklist, bam, /logout

It's like a minigame with no reward

[Beetle]

Didnt read hole post.

#1 But a Good idea is put a limit on how many characters you can create with that account once you start up your first character.
Example, Once first character has been created you cant create another one for least 3-7 days.
This would slow down RMT character creation after being jailed and starting up another character with same account.

#2 Limitation on shouts and tells by 20 a min.

Doing these first 2 will slow them down or use the need to create more characters/accounts.

[DoctorPepper]

And I heartily support the idea of suspending/banning "legit" players' accounts who trade with gilsellers. If people could be made afraid of dealing with RMTs, then the spam would stop.

While I partially agree, I don't think that this is a good idea.

First of all, the amount of additional resources SE would have to put into the RMT effort would go through the roof, if you think a small handful of people can investigate all of the legit accounts that buy gil then I think you're underestimating the amount of people who buy gil. As you guys pretty much said, if people weren't buying gil the RMT wouldn't be putting as much effort into their cause.

Secondly, the receiver can always claim ignorance and unless they specifically mention buying gil in game you can't really suspend/ban somebody for accepting a "random friend request". I'm pretty sure if you openly admit to buying gil in the in game chat they will already suspend/ban you if somebody reports it. One option might be to just remove the gil from their account, haha but the last time they did that people were outraged.

Overall I think there is a lot more overhead to these issues than people consider. Yoshi specifically said he's not interested in putting limits on tells such as level restrictions so I'm sure he's considered this as an option. I am all for restricting tells until level 10 because I do think it would have a significant impact on that part of things, but people would still find a way to complain about it.

Personally I've found that the number of RMT tells I've been receiving on Cactuar is probably at about 1/10 of what it was a few months ago and that's good enough for me, I don't expect SE to lose their shirt over this, there's not a single successful MMO out there that doesn't have RMT and I think people underestimate the amount of money/time that would go into some of these methods. To this day I've never met a person who quit the game over RMT but I've sure met an awful lot that quit due to lack of content, so I would prefer that's where they put most of their money.

[Haibel]

"lots of stuff the already happen"

UMMMM, It's already against the rules and they already ban players for buying gil. So next idea.

[Adrian74]

UMMMM, It's already against the rules and they already ban players for buying gil. So next idea.

Really? I have been two months playing and what you say is new for me... So maybe there's the failure... If they are really taking actions about players that buy gil... They should advertise all the players better, saying it for example when about to log, or in the message of logging, because it is clearly failing, people doesn't know they can get banned, so they buy, so RMT stills...

[DoctorPepper]

Really? I have been two months playing and what you say is new for me... So maybe there's the failure... If they are really taking actions about players that buy gil... They should advertise all the players better, saying it for example when about to log, or in the message of logging, because it is clearly failing, people doesn't know they can get banned, so they buy, so RMT stills...

The did take action quite a while ago close to launch by removing a large quantity of gil from various accounts flagged for buying gil off of RMT. Then people got onto the forums, claimed they were innocent, community believed them and there was outrage. That's the kind of thing they have to deal with when they take action and I can guarantee it would be much worse if those players were banned and didn't just get a slap on the wrist.

[Doo]

RMT's were off the hook last night... bam, /blacklist, bam, /blacklist, bam, /blacklist, bam, /logout

It's like a minigame with no reward

I feel you fellow Coeurlererer. I'm greeted by Gil spammers every time I log in, every time I change cities, every time I come out of instance. Our server must be full of pathetic gil buyers.