SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Altimis]

Can we let this thread die already?

This start to be nonsense

[Advocatus]

I thought this was relevant. I'm still looking at all of the DPS jobs to see what I like, so we'll have to find out later if this discussion pertains to me at all or not.

[YanderePrincess]

I thought this was relevant. I'm still looking at all of the DPS jobs to see what I like, so we'll have to find out later if this discussion pertains to me at all or not.

That video is a little out-dated. SMN can't use Thunder anymore, though not sure how big of an impact that would have on the video's assessment.

[Jarvix]

I never play the SMN. Don't need to I have this wonderfull pet that they gave me I called Gizzard. Along with my little Farie buddy I focus on doing damage, He Tanks and my little farie buddy keeps us both healed.

[Einen]

The only qualm I have with this class is that Garuderp is too sronk. Take Contagion away from her and give it too the summoner. Same recast and duration don't alter a thing. I'm sure someone has already mentioned that this spell is useful; adds longevity to dots adds the damage and saves the mp. With that said, perhaps we can gain some utility via Egi Group favors? Can we assume the role that bards currently aren't? I have a bunch of theories I'd like to post but this is the main concern.

[RickmanUK]

How About a Trait that Let's you Summon two Pets at a Time?

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Yeah Imbalanced... But Make it something Available After 50/55/60 or so.


Also Summoning the Primal's Themselves would be a Bad idea... "Look i'm Summoning Ifrit for Help Against these Enemies.... Ow What.. he just Tempered them all? Shit."
You Get into a Battle too the Death with a FRAGMENT of the Primal... too learn how too summon that Tiny Piece. You have too be Strong enough too kill it yourself, you honestly think Buffing the Pet that you Have too Fight (And yes I Want it too be the Same Version you Summon not some Weakarse thing you can just walk over) is a Good idea?

Your Willpower and Knowledge need to be Good enough too beat it or it Will kill you. The Art is Extinct for more then just one Reason guys....

[Einen]

What you are proposing could only happen as you stated in later content; maybe even with further tweaking of the Limit break when SE chooses to make them more job specific. What we should look at is embellishing the current state of this job. I do hope in the near future we could abandon the egi's as they are for the full primal -- but it's likely not to happen.

What I suggest are slight changes on what exists, and wouldn't be to harsh on the Dev team ( or so I think ) keep in mind this is just a collective thought. Balance is something that could be an issue however I'm sure people who main a job have their reasons to tweak the play style.
( gotta divide this to a double post 1 of 2 )

[Einen]

(post 2 of 2)
Summoning more than one pet would make this job feel mighty; I often though if we gave up an atherflow reducing the stock pile amount to 2, then we could summon an additional pet. Micro managing them would come down to the players ability to do so.

Ifrit's self-buff has a good theory too it, what if we removed that for a group favor? His would be 3% damage increase to melee and 2% fire to those in range of him.
Garuderp is the main chicken mostly because Contagion is a must, remove it from her give it to the summoner. In it's place Garuda's favor increases either the chance to increase spell speed or increase it at a flat rate for all party members in range.
Titan is really good, I'm open to anything with him or we can stay the way he is. Perhaps something reduced party damage? idfk.

[Akiza]

The only thing square needs to do to rebalance the Egis is remove radiant shield from Ifrit and replace it with explosive charge because that is Ifrit's only problem.
If square wants to add new skills and buffs to the Summoner and Egis or make major changes they can do that when they raise the level cap.

[Einen]

The only thing square needs to do to rebalance the Egis is remove radiant shield from Ifrit and replace it with explosive charge because that is Ifrit's only problem.
If square wants to add new skills and buffs to the Summoner and Egis or make major changes they can do that when they raise the level cap.

Of course; I agree completely that any changes would be done in later content, not hotfixing the current state. The class would evolve with the time to come; which is what i was suggesting. Re-balancing Ifrit in particular would mean a lot more than replacing that one spell I feel.