Nerfs are making the game less fun for "many" hardcore AND casual players

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Still there're mechanics that will kill you even with a 40% of said buff. For example in Titan when you fall down, get gaol'd or you eat all the stacks of WoL... or Ifrit with the nails. Garuda ex, with the sisters or messing up with the Spiny. In Leviathan, falling off, not killing the add that causes panic to the party... or nor being able to have your converter ready. Hydra can be a pain if you don't go to the center to avoid True Fear. Yeah, you can outDPS it and skip some phases in certain battles, but the said mechanics are somewhat unavoidable. Personally, I'm against the echo buff, but if you PF (Yes, PF) that content, you'll still meet a lot of people that will wipe a battle even if they stack 20492304% of echo buff. Despite your skill in-game, everybody play this game differently, and part of the challenge will be people not learning or failing at the same mechanic or rage quitters destroying the stacked echo.

[Kiara1]

I agree with this. The nerfs make the game rather boring. I feel like I need to rush through every part of the new content cause I'm afraid they will nerf it before I even have time to do it. I'm on my last book to get animus, and I want to get animus on my summoner too but I think they'll probably nerf it before I get the chance.
Feels like we're being pushed to beat the content and not do it for fun

[SDaemon]

I agree with this. The nerfs make the game rather boring. I feel like I need to rush through every part of the new content cause I'm afraid they will nerf it before I even have time to do it. I'm on my last book to get animus, and I want to get animus on my summoner too but I think they'll probably nerf it before I get the chance.
Feels like we're being pushed to beat the content and not do it for fun

Are you refering to the atma or the books? While I agree for the most part. Would you really be upset if they nerf the atma grind? It isn't even really an accomplishment to grind out all 12 atma because unlike the animus books, the atma stones are purely rng throw your luck to the wind deal. The books on the other hand I feel should stay just the way they are now.

[Kiara1]

Are you refering to the atma or the books? While I agree for the most part. Would you really be upset if they nerf the atma grind? It isn't even really an accomplishment to grind out all 12 atma because unlike the animus books, the atma stones are purely rng throw your luck to the wind deal. The books on the other hand I feel should stay just the way they are now.

I actually loved the atma farm so I wish they would keep it that way. It's like the only grindy thing they have in the game and that's my favourite part of mmos (except vanity)
But looking at most of the threads on the forum I bet they're nerfing it next patch

[Yukiko]

Greetings,
Since the introduction of the Echo bonus to the Binding Coil of Bahamut, the development team has been looking at the number of times players have been challenging it as well as the number of parties that are clearing the content each day.
We originally announced that every two weeks we would be increasing the Echo bonus; however, looking at the current rate of clears and the balance of the rewards being obtained, we’ve decided to halt increasing the bonus further.
The team will continue to look at the conditions day to day as we move forward and consider increasing the bonus further if it is deemed necessary.

Its a bit odd...
So, you judge from "how often" it is cleared and "daily clears"...
Do you even consider that the players HAVE TO do so because the gear they wish for NEVER drops?
Seriously, if you just take total numbers your math will be wrong!
(Other Words: When you cleared before buff increase you will do so after too!)

Sidenote to all complaining: Why dont you deactivate the buff then? Use search...

[Foo01]

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1) At what point does SE decide that a stat cap for instances needs to be implemented? In a year we could have I-level 150 gear. Kind of kills the fun and makes it anti-climatic when players experience the 2.0 final mission fight for the first time and see him killed in seconds....

Lahabrea is just the last gasp, like the silly fortune cookie after dinner, not the final boss and it still take at least 30 seconds if not a minute. The final boss it the ultima weapon and I've had to raise more than few players there.

Also if SE can level-sync, then it won't be hard to SE to do iLevel sync also, because if you paid any attention when you are level synced you will see level sync on your individual gear items. SE will take care of it if iLevel 150 because a issue for the rest of the player base.

2) You agree that Chimera, Hydra, Ifrit HM, Garuda HM, etc. should have an echo buff AND the opportunity to have players use i-level 110 gear? Dying is part of the fun.

Why not. Heck I've seen people with iLevel 110 wipe on garuda story normal mode, in addition to HM primals. It happens quite often actually, especially with the newer players that just joined since PS4 version became available.

[Orophin]

Back when they were first promoting they reboot of this game, Yoshida touted the idea of people being able to "quickly level up to catch up to their friends". Content is made easier so that people that are either incapable of doing it when it's cutting edge, have less time to play, or are newer to the game can catch up and try to take on newer content as it's relevant. It's a never ending cycle, and I agree with him that content that is no longer relevant at the time should be made a bit easier so that everyone can experience it.

Best thing you can do is find a group of like minded people that wouldn't be opposed to removing the Echo buff if you want to challenge the content at its intended difficulty level and carry around a set of level appropriate gear, or stick with the status quo. Either that or speak with your wallet and don't support the game if you don't like this particular design decision.

[Kiara1]

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Am I the only one who thinks that if you use this mindset, why don't they just remove the older content so that everyone can do the new content when they hit 50?
I mean it's not relevant anymore anyway so they could just remove all the old dungeons so that everyone can do the new ones and no one needs to catch up with their friends!

[Foo01]

Am I the only one who thinks that if you use this mindset, why don't they just remove the older content so that everyone can do the new content when they hit 50?
I mean it's not relevant anymore anyway so they could just remove all the old dungeons so that everyone can do the new ones and no one needs to catch up with their friends!

Read his comment. He said nothing of the sort. You are deliberately making up stuff he said. He said old content should available for everyone to experience (a.k.a play for fun) not removed and become inaccessible.

The thing people can "remove" is the echo buff to do it the more hard core style.

[Kiara1]

Read his comment. He said nothing of the sort. You are deliberately making up stuff he said.

I did and if the developers wanted it to be easier to catch up with ones friends then they could just remove the content instead of making the content supereasy. Cause I don't really see the point in having supereasy content at end game.

If you don't play the game that much cause you don't have time or stuff like that, then the game would last longer if they didn't nerf everything. When I just hit 50 they started nerfing stuff and I was so disappointed that I didn't get to do it earlier. So since then I have tried to complete everything as fast as possible, not really enjoying the game fully, cause I want to do it while it's still challenging. For instance, have you done Ampador Keep after the nerf? The last boss' huge aoe doesn't deal like any damage at all. And they removed the bees that actually made the wall boss hard.
They also nerfed Pharos Sirius which was my favourite dungeon pre-nerf cause it was hard and it was fun trying til we made it