Best Gear in Coil needs to end

[Duuude007]

Another person who thinks they are better then everyone else because they do coil.... sad

People don't get it. Coil does not make you a good player. Means you have a head set and a good fc or linkshell. You don't understand the purpose of this thread. You most likely didn't read it. It's about options. The fact that some people due to life simply can't do coil and should be allowed other options.

Ok, lets say they grant other options besides second coil.

Well, besides i100 soldiery farms.
besides i90 craftables.
besides i90 from first coil.
besides i90 myth farms.
besides atma and primal options for weapons, accessories ranging from i90-i110.

Well, they are adding a new tier of gear in 2.3 from the next segment of CT, many believe it will be i100 or better.

With these many options, I do not understand why this topic is even... a topic.

[Awrini]

But Duuude, you just don't understand. If it's not the best gear it's nothing.

[Gormogon]

I do not understand why this topic is even... a topic.

Because nothing you've mentioned helps lessen the difficulty of the Second Coil of Bahamut except for CT2 which has the "potential" to help alleviate the difficulty of Second Coil of Bahamut.

That's why players that are behind have no other choice but to rely on getting into a good FC, use money to get carries, or submit to the echo buff.

So what you're suggesting only works on paper. Since full soldiery doesn't lessen the difficulty of the Second Coil of Bahamut because outside of getting absurd amount of HP you lose out a lot on accuracy, which is needed, and primary and secondary stats aren't any better than the ilvl90 stuff.

The reality is that farming literally BiS is too time consuming and getting a reliable static to take that demanding route is too much for those that don't enjoy the grind just to try and legitimately lessen the difficulty of turn 6.

If the raiding boss mechanics were more lenient then there wouldn't be a need for these alternatives to exists. Yet that's not the case and that's why this topic is in fact... a topic.

[Duuude007]

But Duuude, you just don't understand. If it's not the best gear it's nothing.

Funny. Well, i mean, if it was intended to be ironic.

[Awrini]

Wait, what? Why do we need to alleviate the difficulty of coil 2? If people don't enjoy the grind for BiS they don't have to do it. Nobody is twisting their arm saying YOU MUST DO THIS. But also, don't expect BiS gear to just be handed to people who don't want to put in the effort... WHY MUST PEOPLE ACT SO ENTITLED THESE DAYS!?

BiS gear is a reward for doing the most difficult content... not just something to be handed out like a participation trophy.

[SarcasmMisser]

With these many options, I do not understand why this topic is even... a topic.

For 41 pages no less, do people realize that even the fact that this is a vertical gear progression game ensures that eventually they will get the gear they want? Do they remember all the people complaining in 2.0 that myth gear would take months to get, and then everyone forgetting like that ever happened once 2.1 rolled around and most people were running around in full i90?

It's even talking about it like it isn't already a done deal, 2.2 was over a month ago and this is the design choice they made and there is nothing you can do about it other than whine impotently. It was a departure from 2.0 where you could get bis weapons and gear purely from tomes, which left most people during 2.1 with nothing to do but gear alts, something which a lot of people complained about. This time it feels like a response to that flaw and people will still have things to do until the next coil and jump in ilevel.

2.3 will certainly have horizontal gear added which means I would bet money you can get i110 without coil then, until then what do people expect will happen? An emergency patch that drops the sands requirement for gear? When hell freezes over.

[Duuude007]

Because nothing you've mentioned helps lessen the difficulty of the Second Coil of Bahamut except for CT2 which has the "potential" to help alleviate the difficulty of Second Coil of Bahamut.

Even the current i110 gear, be it high allag or soldiery unweathered, does not define the success odds for a party in 2nd coil. Not at first, at least.

Because it does not make any sense to have TWO ilvl110 armor sets you can only get from coil.

The concept of having 2 ways to gear for coil 2 is a good thing. It means even if RNG fails to give you what you need, you can still upgrade to a close 2nd best option, via soldiery.

But that really is the point. The unweathered gear is designed for Coil 2 progression. If you are full weathered set, you should be able to progress past anything available before coil 2, after which the only progression is...coil 2.

[Gormogon]

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Reminds me of the black and white approach some devs use to talk about in interviews a couple of gens ago instead of finding an appropriate balance.

A: I don't like gear being easy to obtain. B: Fine everything's hard.
A: I don't like gear being hard to obtain. B: You don't like it easy or hard? We don't get you /ignore.

Instead of just making a couple of solid tiers of progression with appropriate and balanced difficulty and time constraints to them.

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You know how long it takes to get unweathered gear or did you just decide to completely forget about the weekly soldiery cap?

Alternatives are welcome but the time constraints to them aren't. I'd rather wait for the echo buff than get full soldiery.

[Duuude007]

You know how long it takes to get unweathered gear or did you just decide to completely forget about the weekly soldiery cap?

I know that I have unweathered noct head, chest, hands, waist, legs and feet, right now.

The full left column.

More than enough to be coil 2 ready, even if I mix and match with i90 gear for accuracy, etc.

[juniglee]

Because nothing you've mentioned helps lessen the difficulty of the Second Coil of Bahamut except for CT2 which has the "potential" to help alleviate the difficulty of Second Coil of Bahamut.

That's why players that are behind have no other choice but to rely on getting into a good FC, use money to get carries, or submit to the echo buff.

So what you're suggesting only works on paper. Since full soldiery doesn't lessen the difficulty of the Second Coil of Bahamut because outside of getting absurd amount of HP you lose out a lot on accuracy, which is needed, and primary and secondary stats aren't any better than the ilvl90 stuff.

The reality is that farming literally BiS is too time consuming and getting a reliable static to take that demanding route is too much for those that don't enjoy the grind just to try and legitimately lessen the difficulty of turn 6.

If the raiding boss mechanics were more lenient then there wouldn't be a need for these alternatives to exists. Yet that's not the case and that's why this topic is in fact... a topic.

Assuming CT2 comes out with i100 gear. How is it any different from current Soldiery gear? All the arguments here about having different gear progressions seems to be because the Oil and Sand is gated behind T7 and T8, which are only used to upgrade Soldiery i100 to i110. What is wrong with sticking to weathered Soldiery? Why the need for it to be i110 outside of Second Coil?

For CT2 to come out with i110 gear, it will most likely have to pose the same challenge as Second Coil, since the gears are of equivalent value. If you can't clear Second Coil now, CT2 with i110 gear will probably be no different.

Casual players should have no obsession over BiS. As far as BiS is concerned, you just need to meet the accuracy cap, then just stack on primary stats (VIT for tanks, STR for melee DPS, etc). Secondary stats are almost always irrelevant. You can "chase" a BiS set but it's not necessary to do so - don't make it sound like a necessity.

I mean, how hard is it to just set aside 2 hours for raiding? That's all I do every night any way. I'm only up to T8 myself, but I can always set aside 1 or 2 hours a night just for progression practice. Most times, you don't even need a mic. I have a friend who does not use a mic, and all he needs to do is get on TeamSpeak and just listen for calls/instructions. One of my static members has a mic, but he hardly ever says anything.

The people who don't have at least 1 to 2 hours a day to spend on raiding, most likely don't even have time to play games. If there are this many people out there who do not have 1 to 2 hours, chances are they can also form a group of their own. Nothing is stopping them from saying "Hi" and making some new friends.

Players "don't have a choice but to submit to echo and carry runs", because they don't put in any effort setting up their own party, or making some friends. This is an MMORPG, we're supposed to be social. The fact that people want to do everything solo and not deal with other people is actually a bigger problem than gear being gated behind Coil. Gear gated behind Coil simply highlights this problem.