Best Gear in Coil needs to end

[Nel_Celestine]

Well they waited till 2.2 to get all the coil1 stuff, they should wait till 2.4 to get the coil 2 stuff. Doesn't matter that you don't need it for any content in the game. The coil raiders earned that gear and I think It should be locked to coil until the next one is added.
No reason for them to catch up anyway. They can continue to enjoy all the old content that people like me have been doing for months while they wait for the newer content to be nerfed like the old stuff was. Let them be handed the gear when hardcore raiders have new stuff to earn like before.

You make it sound like the game is divided into two camps. BlueGartr skill level and noobs. There is a middle core group as well that still progress but aren't running coil until the clear it from dawn until passing out at the table. What I believe the core of the issue is here was that in 2.0 and 2.1 the two sets of gear (Allagan and Mythology) were the same iLevel and obtainable by alternate means. Now they are not. To some, it comes across as a slap across the face that the previous method to gear up and assist in that has now been nerfed and locked out behind the second coil. No one I've encountered has asked for High-Allagan gear to be put out for Soldiery. It's the weathered Soldiery gear, the Masterworks, that people want to get to assist with the gear grind and demand for the second coil as well as any other in game things they wish to do.

[DosonTheGreat]

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It's not really a slap in the face imo. Why should they be able to get as high an ilevel as the people doing coil? They can still get the new soldiery gear. What exactly do they need to be decked out in ilevel 110 soldiery gear for? lol For me it was kind of a slap in the face that i did coil1 all those months and yet I had an ilevel equal to people not doing coil. I never did get my weapon from turn 5, but at least the sands and oil guarantees me some good loot. RNG loot drops with lockouts make me sad. Woe is me.

[Gormogon]

Here's the issue.

People that can clear coil without it don't need it.
People that can't clear coil without it need it.

Those that aren't clearing coil have an issue so getting coil level gear "helps" make it less stressful.

This is why coil level gear being accessible only in coil needs to stop. It should be the most reliable and easy way to obtain, yes. Yet not the only way since it's what breeds elitistjerks.

[DosonTheGreat]

Here's the issue.

People that can clear coil without it don't need it.
People that can't clear coil without it need it.

Those that aren't clearing coil have an issue so getting coil level gear "helps" make it less stressful.

This is why coil level gear being accessible only in coil needs to stop. It should be the most reliable and easy way to obtain, yes. Yet not the only way since it's what breeds elitistjerks.

Gear won't help you with mechanics and the only people bothered by elitism are jealous players who desperately want to succeed but can't. I'm extremely elitist and pretty much the worst sort of person with a very unappealing personality so I'm an expert in this subject. I remember the days when I used to be the noob jealous of beings of greatness.
Now BEHOLD!!! Doson The Great! yay!
Get on my level. Also, have a nice day.

[Nel_Celestine]

It's not really a slap in the face imo. Why should they be able to get as high an ilevel as the people doing coil? They can still get the new soldiery gear. What exactly do they need to be decked out in ilevel 110 soldiery gear for? lol For me it was kind of a slap in the face that i did coil1 all those months and yet I had an ilevel equal to people not doing coil. I never did get my weapon from turn 5, but at least the sands and oil guarantees me some good loot. RNG loot drops with lockouts make me sad. Woe is me.

The only reason it was changed to this method was because Yoshi-P said he wanted to motivate more people to do coil raids. By making it a divide this time all it's done has hurt the player base at large and made the raid community feel 'super special awesome'. No more no less. It seems you also skimmed over my first comment about there being more then 2 types of players.

Here's the issue.

People that can clear coil without it don't need it.
People that can't clear coil without it need it.

Those that aren't clearing coil have an issue so getting coil level gear "helps" make it less stressful.

This is why coil level gear being accessible only in coil needs to stop. It should be the most reliable and easy way to obtain, yes. Yet not the only way since it's what breeds elitistjerks.

Thank you, someone who understands.

[ispano]

The only reason it was changed to this method was because Yoshi-P said he wanted to motivate more people to do coil raids. By making it a divide this time all it's done has hurt the player base at large and made the raid community feel 'super special awesome'. No more no less. It seems you also skimmed over my first comment about there being more then 2 types of players.

And what if it was intended to be this way from the start, but they decided not to since CT wasn't out yet? The thing is, it's done the way it is now in other games for a reason. You don't give people the "same" stuff for less effort. Putting it behind other difficult content is fine, but the effort needs to be roughly the same.

And honestly, as i've seen other people say, this is the only game where i've seen people complain about it being this way.

[Nel_Celestine]

And honestly, as i've seen other people say, this is the only game where i've seen people complain about it being this way.

If it was intended to be another way then it should and could have been implemented as such. But it wasn't. If players don't voice their thoughts on things then we will not have a proper representation of the community as a whole.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/159217

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Q: Is the item level for the equipment from the Second Coil of Bahamut and the equipment that you can purchase with Allagan tomestones of soldiery the same?

A: Strictly speaking, the item level of equipment that can be purchased with Allagan tomestones of soldiery and equipment that drops directly from the Second Coil of Bahamut is different. In patch 2.0 and 2.1, the equipment from the Binding Coil of Bahamut and the equipment you could obtain with Allagan tomestones of mythology were exactly the same, and I think this detracted from players’ motivation. This time around we've prepared something a little different, so they won't necessarily be equal. As I mentioned earlier, we’ve prepared three main ways to increase your item level, and regardless of which route you take you’ll be able to achieve the same item level in the end. The system has seen some adjustments with this patch, so we encourage you to give it a try.

Coil Drops, Coil Drops and Waiting for Coil Nerf for drops is NOT three methods.

[Eidolon]

Coil Drops, Coil Drops and Waiting for Coil Nerf for drops is NOT three methods.

You know, I see two right now

We have Soldiery + Oils to get i110.
We have Coil.

Both are gated behind coil, but they're still, for all intents and purposes, two 'ways' to earn the gear.

But what is this mythical 'third' way? O_o

[DosonTheGreat]

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No amount of any of the gear currently in the game is going to allow anyone to clear coil2. All it will lead to is more frustration as they make a tiny bit of progress then get walled off again by skill checks. If people want to enter coil they really need to just get better at the game and not whine that it's not made easy enough. The only people that need and deserve that gear is people who have earned it. It is their reward that they have earned and it is what will prepare them for the next coil. Handing players that level of gear is a slap in the face to all the groups that have worked hard to down coil2.
All this hand holding needs to stop. The gaming community has become so pathetic. I miss the days when gamers were just guys who sit in their rooms all day ignoring the rest of humanity. Back then games were real. Now everyone plays games that play themselves and they think their opinions matter when they don't care about games. They really don't want any challenge whatsoever. They just want the game to keep telling them they are great no matter what. What a sad day.
Know what i mean?

[Musashidon]

And honestly, as i've seen other people say, this is the only game where i've seen people complain about it being this way.

the problem with that is how things were done, if myth gear was only i80 and ct was also i80 there wouldn't be as many people complaining but when you start with 1 way to get i90 (tokens) then another (coil)
then take the way to get the same ilvl gear as coil away people get mad.

it's the same with alot of 1.0 2.0 discussion they took things out of 1.0 that people liked so they get mad and say they want them back course the difference is the population the amount of people affect (in a bad way) by the 1.0 to 2.0 change, it's far less then the population of people affected (or effected? god i hate these to words) by the change in 2.2 from 2.0. (based off of 1.0 pop compared to 2.0 pop)

it how most go, if ff14 was the first FFmmo the opinions of ff14 being a bad mmo would be different because there would be no ff11mmo to compare it to. it would still be compared to say EQ or ultima online but it wouldn't have 11 to be compared too.