[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[Kurokikaze]

Yeah ok. But what are you going to do about all the people that have maxed level classes now? I don't think its fair that people's progress on the current classes is going to be irrelevant because the Advanced classes are whats going to be used.

Every 50 on this forums is going to have start over for a specializations.. Thats not right.

[napalmninja]

Yeah ok. But what are you going to do about all the people that have maxed level classes now? I don't think its fair that people's progress on the current classes is going to be irrelevant because the Advanced classes are whats going to be used.

Every 50 on this forums is going to have start over for a specializations.. Thats not right.

You bring up a very good point, maybe the advanced classes could start at 50, just kidding. Looking at it that way I guess your idea would be the best for everyone involved.

[Killirz]

Yeah ok. But what are you going to do about all the people that have maxed level classes now? I don't think its fair that people's progress on the current classes is going to be irrelevant because the Advanced classes are whats going to be used.

Every 50 on this forums is going to have start over for a specializations.. Thats not right.

Maybe give them 1.5x specialization points for every level after 30 they obtained. That way they'll still be level 30 in a class and everyone only at 30 will be level 1.

EDIT: Hehe, screw nostalgia, giving them lvl 50 makes more sense

[Elcura]

Maybe give them 1.5x specialization points for every level after 30 they obtained. That way they'll still be level 30 in a class and everyone only at 30 will be level 1.

Or like Kuro is suggesting, that if you're 50 you already have the points ready to use, but that doesn't mean that you need to be level 50 to start using that specialization.

If you gain 1 spec point for every level after 30, if your jobs are 50 you start with 20 points ready to go. Where as if you don't, you change at 30 and then need to gain spec points as you level up.

[Sorel]

Yeah ok. But what are you going to do about all the people that have maxed level classes now? I don't think its fair that people's progress on the current classes is going to be irrelevant because the Advanced classes are whats going to be used.

Every 50 on this forums is going to have start over for a specializations.. Thats not right.

I agree. That why in Solracht's compromise system, I believe that Rank 50 Conjurer will still have their Raise ability as a Level 1 WHM, RDM, or BLM.

Naturally, we would want the White Mage to have bonuses increasing Raise's effectiveness or reduced MP cost for it, the Black Mage to have increased costs and effectiveness penalties, and the Red Mage to have neither bonus nor penalty for using the Raise that the Rank 50 Conjurer earned.

[Kurokikaze]

I agree. That why in Solracht's compromise system, I believe that Rank 50 Conjurer will still have their Raise ability as a Level 1 WHM, RDM, or BLM.

Naturally, we would want the White Mage to have bonuses increasing Raise's effectiveness or reduced MP cost for it, the Black Mage to have increased costs and effectiveness penalties, and the Red Mage to have neither bonus nor penalty for using the Raise that the Rank 50 Conjurer earned.

You missed the point entirely.

[Sorel]

You missed the point entirely.

I guess I did. I apologize for my ignorance. Can you please lay out what I am missing?

[Elcura]

I guess I did. I apologize for my ignorance. Can you please lay out what I am missing?

It's to not start from scratch if you have a level 50 job because no one is using the basic jobs as they are anymore.

[Kurokikaze]

I guess I did. I apologize for my ignorance. Can you please lay out what I am missing?

Theres more than just classes to this post.

I'm reorganizing spells and splitting them across the specs in a way that make sense so that the base class only has generic skills that can be used cross-class. Raise is not a generic skill, that is a WHM ability and it would be in that spec.

Now let's say they implement this that way some of us are envisioning; again - what are you going to do with players that have classes at 50 in future balancing for content is being based off the fact that every player will be playing as a particular spec.

Your proposal is to make them start over from scratch pretty much.

[Sorel]

Theres more than just classes to this post.

I'm reorganizing spells and splitting them across the specs in a way that make sense so that the base class only has generic skills that can be used cross-class. Raise is not a generic skill, that is a WHM ability and it would be in that spec.

Now let's say they implement this that way some of us are envisioning; again - what are you going to do with players that have classes at 50 in future balancing for content is being based off the fact that every player will be playing as a particular spec.

Your proposal is to make them start over from scratch pretty much.

Well I have not really proposed anything to be honest. But I think I get what you are saying. My understanding is crude, so please correct me when I make a mistake.

• Rebuild the Armory System classes so that abilities like Raise, Chainspell, Cover, etc ... are removed from them.
• Add the ability for classes to become Jobs. Various jobs will have the abilities that were removed.
• Player wiill start at the same level job as their rank in their Armory Class.

So if I'm a Rank 40 Conjurer right now. And SE adopts the change being proposed. The next day, I will no longer have Chainspell, Raise, or Fastcast. But I will be able to become a Red Mage 40 with Fastcast and Chainspell, or a White Mage 40 with Raise.

Will I have the option to be both, and switch at will?