[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

[Kurokikaze]

The funny thing is that if there was a ton of content out people would be arguing the opposite. It's all how people perceive things.

Holy crap dude do not quote the OP.

Firon: Then make it so that your specs themselves have levels and you need to grind them from their starting point. Problem solved.

[bersha-sensei]

Somethings stinks......

Oh it's this idea. Can you please take it back to FFxi...thanks.

I support you friend, I not like the idea of ​​specialization, because if you-CON-and go a-BLM-CURE going to have, and if after being BLM, WHM want change? how? going to be very upset, that he would be the same, a-CON-

I prefer to give you to choose what you want.
It may be giving you a button. FFXIV weapons specialist <-> Job's classics.
so if you want to keep it current system or change it as often as they can. light can still manage change depending on what weapon you equip your classic job. like the example I put in a post

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-s-and-pvp-pve


is a bad post... ¬¬ i not good post

[Elcura]

Yeah I see what you're saying. Though, I feel they're going to have severely limit what the base classes learn: shift most of the good stuff into specs and leave generic abilities on the base that can be cross-classed with no limitations in regards to rank.

The main thing that I want to avoid, as I keep saying, is the overreaching that is going on.

Well, when the theorycrafting and head in the cloud stage ends, the real design begins. No matter what we say, no matter how good the idea, it doesn't mean a thing without good execution.

Over-reaching would be bad (if I understand what you mean... probably not), but the abilities shouldn't be ground-breaking. They should be by-products of playing the job you want to play, but still useable on another class so that if you do switch, your progress as a character is kept intact. The knowledge you gain as a CON/WHM isn't suddenly forgotten and lost to the winds until you decide to return. It is always there, and aspects of that knowledge appear when you play other jobs.

I think the problem with skills in XIV is that you gain a skill every 2 ranks. If they spread out the rewards more, they could make them more substantial and desireable, rather than giving us useless ability II (THE USELESS EDITION).

Edit to the above guys:

lern2read.

Kuro already said you could switch specs.

[Kurokikaze]

@bersha-sensei I'm sorry man, but I'm not going to repeat stuff thats blatantly wrong in your post that I made perfectly clear in the OP and in the many pages after it.

Re-read the OP, understand it and analyze it before you post again. It's getting annoying.

I agree with you Elcura. Also what I meant by over-reaching is a RDM taking Mage Ballad II from a BRD in FFXI. This is happening in XIV's system.

[bersha-sensei]

@bersha-sensei I'm sorry man, but I'm not going to repeat stuff thats blatantly wrong in your post that I made perfectly clear in the OP and in the many pages after it.

Re-read the OP, understand it and analyze it before you post again. It's getting annoying.

yeah,i'm. sorry i'm bad in english and many post, and i not read all T.T

[Arya]

To the OP, good job. I think it's a really great idea, and it would be nice to see some kind of similar system put in place.

I like the idea of making choices as you go down the line that will affect your final "form".

Of course, personally I feel these choices should be almost permanent (I do say almost, not completely), because I'm not a fan of people changing their minds every 10 seconds about what they want in life. Take a little longer to think about what you want first instead of impulsively bouncing around, and you may not need to change everything so often.

Of course, I'm sure there are plenty who would want to see a continuous ability to be able to switch round (ie: no consequences for actions). As long as we see a system like that suggested by the OP, I could live with that

[Xeona]

This is great! I like the thought put forward.


The downside I do see is that one cannot play all the classes in this setup potentially.

In XI and XIV currently, I enjoy the ability to play all classes. If I am forced to choose PLD vs DRK for example, will I not be able to play the other?

Or can I choose 1 of each base job.

For example, could I have a RDM, DRK, THF and RNG? That would allow me to pick 1 advanced job from each base job.


Edit: didnt read all pages before I posted. Sorry if this is already addressed.

[Killirz]

Here are some of my recent thoughts on this idea:

1) At level 10 for each of the base jobs, have an ability that is very identifiable with that job, such as quickstride, or cure, or gravity. These abilities are then accessible to every job once you have reached that level; however, you may only equip 1 or 2 abilities from another class at one time. This forces people to decide if they want to have cure, or quickstride, or gravity, rather than them having the entire package. Abilities earned by spending the advanced points wouldn't have the same limit, it is just a limit imposed on cross-classed skills. EDIT: Yeah I know this is basically the same system that is in place right now for lvl 1-20, just slightly more restrictive.

2) Next I think at lvl 20 there should be another ability for classes; however, maybe this ability alters stats rather than is an action. An example is "magic dmg increased by 5%" for the base mage class, or something that would really benefit the advanced jobs in the class. Players then have the option of switching between the lvl 20 stat buff, but they will have to replace their current stat buff as a trade-off. This way, you can have some customization within certain classes, but it wont get to the point where classes aren't unique any more. I chose a stat bonus over a skill at lvl 20 because I feel level 20 still takes a while to level up to and if someone has to spend that much time to get a skill from a job they do not like, it just isn't fun.

3) My thoughts behind this are that it will make it more enjoyable going from lvl 1-20, since you will still have a character that still has very powerful cross-classed abilities. As the characters level up higher than 20 though, the effect of the bonus skills overall is decreased. I mean, gravity and quickstride are always useful, so maybe Cure can have an increased effect as you level up, but never to the extent that makes it comparable with a WHM cure spell at the same level.

4) Level 10 for these class abilities I find is fair. I think most serious crafters by this point have leveled other crafts just to get the abilities offered. Level 10 isn't hard work, but it still requires effort and also makes sense with the lore of the game, since you have to train in a class in order to know how to use an ability.

5) You could also expand this idea to have skills/bonuses available at lvl 30/40/50, and use the same "replace the current job bonus with a bonus from another class" idea, I just don't want to make it into a giant skill grab system again.

[Kurokikaze]

This is great! I like the thought put forward.


The downside I do see is that one cannot play all the classes in this setup potentially.

In XI and XIV currently, I enjoy the ability to play all classes. If I am forced to choose PLD vs DRK for example, will I not be able to play the other?

Or can I choose 1 of each base job.

For example, could I have a RDM, DRK, THF and RNG? That would allow me to pick 1 advanced job from each base job.


Edit: didnt read all pages before I posted. Sorry if this is already addressed.

You said the same thing that bersha-sensei said and I corrected him on. Please read the opening post carefully. I said you're free to respec or play another class entirely if you want. Thats the best feature of FF MMOs... why would I take that away?

[Sorel]

I am not a fan of job specialization, specialization trees, or removing the existing armory classes and replacing them with FFXI jobs, for the record.

All that being said, Solracht's compromise system is very persuasive, and I cannot immediately dismiss it because it is well thought out. After I analyze it some more, I may change my mind, but for right now, I cannot say that it is bad.