Vote Kick abuse really needs to end.

[Ampheni]

I like how people thinks spending their time watching CS falls under the "AFK" category.
I rarely see people actually use the vote kick system to kick someone with a valid reason.
Most of the time I see people simply kick first timers/people who are relatively new in dungeons for "Harassment" when they did not harassed anyone verbally or acting hostile or being trollish (Actually the opposite)
Then some people just made some mistakes in a fight or watching CS, they kick them for "AFK".
People who came in a dungeon and did not say a word were kicked for "Cheating", when they are just probably a newbie on PS3/4 without a keyboard to chat.
The only time I see someone kick people for a valid reason is when they kick someone who DC'd for like over 5 minutes, and got vote kicked with a reason of being "Offline"

This is just sad that people don't understand the meaning of "Harassment", "AFK" and "Cheating"

[Souljacker]

Whether SE spelled it out explicitly or not, it's not hard to read between the lines. Anyone who thinks SE added Roulette simply to give players a new way to obtain Tomestones is fooling themselves. They added it to ensure that no matter how the game ages, there will always be people available to help new players complete old content. It's a marvelous idea but, as noted in the CM and Praetorium examples, it needs some polish.

That's exactly why it's level sync'd content. That right there says volumes about SE's intentions with these low level dungeons. Every other game separates the high levels from the low levels, but SE had the foresight to acknowledge that the game would one day, like its predecessor XI, become top-heavy and there would be fewer people to help new players complete content. Their brilliance with level sync was just taken one step further, so instead of only top level content in the roulette, we have level sync dungeons to help new players out.

[Limecat]

If you think this is bad, just imagine if XIV had this option:

[Ampheni]

Rather than saying who is wrong and who is right, I want to ask what is everyone's stance on this question.
Why do you think SE have not added something like "Other", "Incompetent", "Not following the majority" and/or "Watching Cut Scene when doing speed run" in the list of vote kick reason?

I personally believe that SE wants to keep the community friendly and avoid conflicts, and encourage veteran players to provide tips and tricks to the new players instead of kicking them on sight. And the above reasons can be very biased and become really unfair to other players. I strongly believe there is a reason there are only "Harassment", "Cheating", "AFK" and "Offline" to choose from in the vote kick system, however people seems to just randomly pick one of the reason just to kick someone they don't like as if it will have no consequences for doing so.

[Fynlar]

I really wish a SE dev could get on this thread just to clarify that it is NOT harassment for someone to watch a cutscene, even if 7 others are waiting.

A dev is not needed to tell us this, as anyone with a brain should already have figured that out on their own

[MirielleLavandre]

A dev is not needed to tell us this, as anyone with a brain should already have figured that out on their own

Oh, I agree - I think it could just at least put one of the arguments put forth here to rest, however, for good :P

[VesperValveto]

we need to weed out nasty players like you and others who think we should all
bend backwards to play the game how YOU want it.

Which is ironic, because it's EXACTLY what you are telling the rest of us to do; bend backwards to play the game YOU feel it should be played. Ironic statement is ironic. Also, seeing how you admited you're all for abusing the vote kick system, I guess that makes you a hypocrite as well.

[Nicobo]

I don't undersatnd why so many people able to judge OP's story without sufficient information ^^?

OP has not mentoned how long and how many CS the player had watched??
If no battle had been carried out, did it mean 15minutes of the first CS?
If someone in his party did not satisfy OP waiting, someone should initial kick OP but not the watcher?
If for role reason someone didn't kick op, why not op leave right after the kick?
And I really want to know what had going on after someone had been kicked, they finished it with OP or OP had left right after?

By the way, I read some comments about "new player need xxx need yyy need xxx, need slow".
TBH I found all my new player friends only want catch up, they are the one really want rush and fast complete ! ^^;
Maybe they want to reach the state that starting to save thier tomestones as soon as possible so will not lost the weekly cap. I am not sure, even I think they are too rush but it is their choice or personal preference.

And please, to those who think new players need realtime CS, I am not new player, can I have it?
If I can have it, how come a new player cannot have it?
It is just your choice to watch or not, and by system design others can go ahead,
and I will be more happy if others just go ahead as I feel very uncomfortable if I let others waiting.

[OPneedNerfs]

SE should implement the no cutscene skipping idea for the main scenario roulettes. Let's see how many "main scenario roulette is to help newer players" will be left queueing for it.

I have no idea why people even bother doing main scenario roulette if they want quick myth. Brayflox HM SRs will likely net u the same, if not more myths in the time it takes to finish a CM/Prae run even with all 8 vets.

[Lamentations]

High geared players are being paid extra tomes to CARRY newbies through non-endgame anything.

Those that fail to realize this shouldn't waste the time of the players who are helping the players who actually need to do the content in question.

So new players, joining the instance by the wisdom of SEs mechanics, which they also have little choice in, makes these high leveled players some superior Aristocracy entitled to some twisted sense of democratic prejudice.

Through conceit and self importance they redefine harassment as anything they don't like.

I suppose active involvement in the fights in any particular instance by the noob, (after they skip the cutscene of course), will also be considered being "carried", as if just because this is his first go, his DPS isn't actually really there at all.

"Time" itself is your only real revelation on why 7 people should vote-kick some noob, because you all started 2 months ago and they started last week, "wow", and by kicking the noob and potentially needing to get a replacement you have effectively wasted your "own time" by your own vote, classic "beat the dead horse syndrome".

To my knowledge 7 "high geared" players can probably "face role" that content anyway, so kicking them isn't alleviating to your inconvenience after you examine the "time" and effort you applied to the action of wasting your "own" time "yourselves".

If you like being paid to carry noobs through content, why kick them?, if you don't why don't you take it up with SE?, for that matter why doesn't the noob complain about being forced to use a system which puts them in parties with warm fuzzy white knights like you.

I have heard of low regard for other human beings, but this takes the cake.