So, appearantly I got added to a 'list'

[Eidolon]

First they send a message saying they need more info like time, where, what was said by who and what happened. Then like 4hrs later a GM will send you a tell and ask you more questions then tell you they will start their investigation.

Yeap. This is actually exactly what happened in my case. Though the second attempt to contact me - they couldn't because I wasn't expecting it and was bound by duty, they still left a message telling me they were launching the investigation.

[Cap75]

"You can't come because this loot is mine and mine alone." I don't understand how you feel this is not a barring act. Yes, you can make your own. Yes, you could try to find another person recruiting that isn't so self-entitled to have such ridiculous, selfish conditions. However, the fact remains that you cannot join this particular group, that's a bar.

I am not arguing the freedom of people to do as they like. If they want to be selfish ****s, more power to them. The fact is that more and more people are beginning to think that this behavior is civil and acceptable. It's morally wrong.

It's not barring because you have no inherent right to join a party in PF. How is it you cannot understand this? The entire point of PF is to set conditions on joining. There's no "moral" argument about it.

[Issac]

It's not barring because you have no inherent right to join a party in PF. How is it you cannot understand this? The entire point of PF is to set conditions on joining. There's no "moral" argument about it.

So you think morals do not come into play in this argument.
I strongly feel they do.

At this point we have reached an impasse.

[alhandra]

So you think morals do not come into play in this argument.
I strongly feel they do.

At this point we have reached an impasse.

your morals consist of telling seven other people that they are playing the game wrong and that they should change their loot rule to suit your needs

at least thats what ive gathered from reading your posts. the funny thing is, you actually called them the dictators >.<

[LexSunfire]

i don't get why this debate is still going on. SE has already spoken on the matter. Variations of the need/greed loot system are not only legal game play, but if you join a group with specified loot rules and you break those rules you are the one that will be disciplined. so, if you join a party that says a certain piece is locked and you ninja loot it anyways, you can be reported and the consequence could be confiscation of the item or worse. whether other players find it immoral or messed up or wrong to create a party in the PF with loot rules doesn't matter. SE has given the green light for it. I don't see them reversing course and prohibiting this.

SE will enforce your party's loot rules. That's all anyone needs to know.

[Doo]

I don't see what's so bad about players that want to lock out loot. They are making the effort to set up a group to farm while the person complaining about the lock out is doing nothing.

[Awrini]

Why is this being argued. Yes the GMs support this kind of use of party finder. It is effectively stating up front the loot rules for the run. Joining the party is equivalent to you accepting such rules. Therefore if you join then purposefully disregard the ruleset, you actually are likely to get a tap on the shoulder by a GM. Simply if you don't agree to loot lock parties, don't join them.

[Eidolon]

your morals consist of telling seven other people that they are playing the game wrong and that they should change their loot rule to suit your needs

I don't really understand the whole 'moral' arguement either. Even if you try to argue that it's two players trying to get eachother to play the way the other wants (BLM Who wants in but can't because he wants body vs. Black mage who made the party), this still comes out as a moral-wash in the end because it's really just opinion vs. opinion.

I can't help but wonder if it's just a bunch of Black Mages / classes that are getting locked out that feel this way. I watched for a week as I saw every 'farm' party lead by a BLM either having it explicitely stated 'Caster body locked', or they just didn't allow Black Mages / Summoners to join. My solution was simply to do much the same - make my own party, and lead it myself so I could get my own piece of gear.

[alhandra]

My solution was simply to do much the same - make my own party, and lead it myself so I could get my own piece of gear.

thats to much for alot of the folks around here

they would rather hold hands and sing koombaya while SE showered them with echo tainted loot

they call it "fairness"

i call it socialism

[Gnova]

So you think morals do not come into play in this argument.
I strongly feel they do.
If you don't like the rules being put in place make your own PF group, don't whine about not liking someone else's.

At this point we have reached an impasse.

If someone wants to make a party where only 21 and older men who are willing to do a shot after every boss are invited that is their right.
This is the same scenario.