PSA Regarding Big Pulls

[Odett]

Never said PLD "need" ballad, just that's it's nice to have.

The only "real" AoE tool PLD has is Flash. RoH doesn't count. So, logically, to take and maintain aggro on a bunch of mobs would require massive use of flash to keep aggro from Flare-ing BLM. Flash is hard on PLD limited MP pool. Ballad helps by allowing the PLD to non-stop spam flash, or at least slow the use of MP so the AoEers can kill the mobs before the PLD runs out of MP.

And don't even tell me to tab target and switch targets during an aggro combo. That doesn't work when fighting 10+ mobs, sorry.

I've done fine with no BRDs countless times. Just that I'll have to use Riot Blade a couple times to get more MP for flash.

Either tell the BLM to Aetherial Manipulation to you when they get aggro, or just have them close to you and use Cover on them when they pull aggro. Having a BRD lose DPS so you can Flash spam (laaaaaaaazy) defeats the purpose of pulling more monsters so you can finish faster. This is a prime example of the point I'm trying to make that doing big pulls inefficiently for the sake of doing big pulls make the run slower.

[Almalexia]

Until Yoshida gives MNK the ability to suckerpunch the TP out of mobs, we won't be able to keep up with BLM in an AoE-fest.

Make no mistake: the damage is extraordinary while it lasts. But between Quelling Strike and just-add-water MP regeneration, BLM will always have an edge on these speedruns.

[Lucke]

Either tell the BLM to Aetherial Manipulation to you when they get aggro, or just have them close to you and use Cover on them when they pull aggro. Having a BRD lose DPS so you can Flash spam (laaaaaaaazy) defeats the purpose of pulling more monsters so you can finish faster. This is a prime example of the point I'm trying to make that doing big pulls inefficiently for the sake of doing big pulls make the run slower.

By maybe 5 minutes. This is the problem I have with this community, "why take 10 minutes when you can take 5? 10 minutes is so fail!" So what if the BRD needs to ballad me, they don't care. Not once have I ever been grouped with a BRD that said "lolBallad". Some of them actually popped ballad without being asked on their own accord. And I can live without it. If they keep ballad up, the run may take a few minutes longer, who cares, it's not the end of the world. Everyone is in such a rush.

[Odett]

By maybe 5 minutes. This is the problem I have with this community, "why take 10 minutes when you can take 5? 10 minutes is so fail!" So what if the BRD needs to ballad me, they don't care. Not once have I ever been grouped with a BRD that said "lolBallad". Some of them actually popped ballad without being asked on their own accord. And I can live without it. If they keep ballad up, the run may take a few minutes longer, who cares, it's not the end of the world. Everyone is in such a rush.

Because speed is the entire point of big pulls. The sword cuts both ways; what's stopping you from pulling less mobs? You pulling more monsters and then saying that everyone is in a rush is quite the self-contradictory statement.

[SarcasmMisser]

Never said PLD "need" ballad, just that's it's nice to have

I had a pld who complained about not being able to hold aoe threat once, and would insist the bard use Mage but still lost threat. We kicked him, I decided to tank as a pld and told the bard to play foes instead. I had no trouble holding aoe threat, you completely drain your mp pool with flashes, pop FoF and CDs and they will be dead before you lose threat. So from now on if a pld blames his job and he has equal or better gear than the dps I just laugh, it's hogwash.

Playing Mage song is nerfing a dps to carry a pld who can't do his job. I say this as a pld who can do his job.

[Arkista]

most notably MNK.

Must be playing with some real crappy MNKs. I have no problem with any size pull, In fact I prefer larger pulls. Either way TP is going to get used up might as well use it all on one big group. What sucks is when a tank wants to do little pulls and waste my TP. Now if we have a healer that probably cant handle it then i'll say something. But most parties I do the tank ask what size pulls.

[Ooshima]

I had a pld who complained about not being able to hold aoe threat once, and would insist the bard use Mage but still lost threat. We kicked him, I decided to tank as a pld and told the bard to play foes instead. I had no trouble holding aoe threat, you completely drain your mp pool with flashes, pop FoF and CDs and they will be dead before you lose threat. So from now on if a pld blames his job and he has equal or better gear than the dps I just laugh, it's hogwash.

Playing Mage song is nerfing a dps to carry a pld who can't do his job. I say this as a pld who can do his job.

This sounds incredibly familiar.. was I the BRD lol, I recalled few weeks back there was a PLD who lost threat to your first flare and you went PLD after.

[Ooshima]

Anyways I have ran BFSR as a BRD, PLD and WHM.

I don't think it's difficult for PLD to hold threat in BFSR thou. The first big pull, by depleting your MP pool with flash and DoTs from Circle of Scorn, it should hold threat until all of them are dead if your DPS are good enough. For safety purposes I do a couple of Riot Blade and flash 2 more times if it's not dead by then. IF it's still not all dead, it should be 1-3 mobs left which I could just rotate RoH. But if it's more than that.. I think the DPS sucks lol (which are hardly the case).

If the tank is a PLD and the healer is a WHM, maybe they could do some communication prior to big pulls. When I play WHM, I like it when the PLD pulls and use HG first, allowing me to run in and swiftcast holy. That 4s AoE stun gives the PLD a relaxing time to spam Flash, and further holy spam's stuns helped to ease his job for the opening parts.


In a good group, for the first pull I could just stay entirely in Cleric Stance and holy spam and Benediction is all I need. Maybe a Cure 2 or two towards the end.