Best Gear in Coil needs to end

[DosonTheGreat]

How much i110 gear did blue gartr need to beat coil?

There is no content in the game which requires you to be in i110-115 gear. So why does anyone want this gear?

I've noticed a lot of people didn't notice BG had 4 ilevel 110 weapons which is the biggest upgrade you can get for DPS. They also had the i110 shield for their MT. Pretty hard to not hit enrage without a few i110 weapons. They also wore tanking rings to boost their HP which they would have with full i110. Maybe you should do your research next time.

[Giantbane]

I've noticed a lot of people didn't notice BG had 4 ilevel 110 weapons which is the biggest upgrade you can get for DPS. They also had the i110 shield for their MT. Pretty hard to not hit enrage without a few i110 weapons. They also wore tanking rings to boost their HP which they would have with full i110. Maybe you should do your research next time.

It's a far cry from having your raid decked out in full sets of i110 level gear. So what's your argument? You need i110 *weapons* to beat coil 2, but none of the rest of it is needed?

Besides, I'm not really advocating just giving i110 stuff to everyone. If you scroll up a few posts, you might have noticed I suggested it might be more appropriate to have *some* of the best gear in coil (maybe weps/armor?) while spreading out the rest of it (belt/jewelry?) instead of cramming both sets of i110 gear for each class (high allagan + sands/oils) for every single slot, including both the i110 and i115 weps, solely onto the 4 bosses of coil.

[Ooshima]

Besides, I'm not really advocating just giving i110 stuff to everyone. If you scroll up a few posts, you might have noticed I suggested it might be more appropriate to have *some* of the best gear in coil (maybe weps/armor?) while spreading out the rest of it (belt/jewelry?) instead of cramming both sets of i110 gear for each class (high allagan + sands/oils) for every single slot, including both the i110 and i115 weps, solely onto the 4 bosses of coil.

I share the same thoughts as well. In fact, I really liked Patch 2.1 - because we have EX Primals that gives 3 i90 accessories and Ultima HM that gives 2 i80 accessories. It really gives more gearing options - even though some of these items are not BiS for certain classes or jobs, but it's still a decent upgrade. Furthermore, it gives more things to play outside coil.

Our whole primal LS were farming them daily, for weeks to gear the right-hand-side for all our jobs and also to get the primal weapon weekly. In a sense it also made Patch 2.1 "last longer" - quite a handful of us got really bored already.. I mean, Levi/Mog EX is the only thing you could farm which gives 1 weapon and 1 accessory, each from one boss, but Patch 2.1 you could go for 5 accessory from 4 bosses.

[DosonTheGreat]

It's a far cry from having your raid decked out in full sets of i110 level gear. So what's your argument? You need i110 *weapons* to beat coil 2, but none of the rest of it is needed?

Besides, I'm not really advocating just giving i110 stuff to everyone. If you scroll up a few posts, you might have noticed I suggested it might be more appropriate to have *some* of the best gear in coil (maybe weps/armor?) while spreading out the rest of it (belt/jewelry?) instead of cramming both sets of i110 gear for each class (high allagan + sands/oils) for every single slot, including both the i110 and i115 weps, solely onto the 4 bosses of coil.

Well you do need some i110 gear. Weapon damage and Vit makes the biggest difference. Casters wearing tank rings and specing Vit like BG did makes up for not having the 110 stats. The gear is needed but players just used loop holes to get the stats they needed. I assume you haven't done t9. cute
People who don't do coil 2 don't really need or deserve i110 gear. We're going to be farming this for several months until 2.4 comes out. The gear will also make coil 2 less of a headache. I was so glad when I saw that good players would finally be rewarded this patch. If you want the best you have to be the best.

[Giantbane]

Well you do need some i110 gear. Weapon damage and Vit makes the biggest difference. Casters wearing tank rings and specing Vit like BG did makes up for not having the 110 stats. The gear is needed but players just used loop holes to get the stats they needed. I assume you haven't done t9. cute
People who don't do coil 2 don't really need or deserve i110 gear. We're going to be farming this for several months until 2.4 comes out. The gear will also make coil 2 less of a headache. I was so glad when I saw that good players would finally be rewarded this patch. If you want the best you have to be the best.

Do the vit rings say "GLD PLD MRD WAR"? no. Then it's not a loop hole. Do you need to wear i110 vit rings to clear that requirement? no. So it still sounds like you need some DPS with i110 weapons, and other than that you don't really *NEED* the i110 gear to clear coil. And you definitely don't need a whole set of i110 gear to clear coil.

[DosonTheGreat]

Do the vit rings say "GLD PLD MRD WAR"? no. Then it's not a loop hole. Do you need to wear i110 vit rings to clear that requirement? no. So it still sounds like you need some DPS with i110 weapons, and other than that you don't really *NEED* the i110 gear to clear coil. And you definitely don't need a whole set of i110 gear to clear coil.

You do need some i110 gear to clear coil and that's why the gear exists. I'm assuming you haven't gotten very far in the new coil. You do NEED a certain amount of vit and DPS to clear t9. T8 and t9 have very high requirements. Also tank rings are meant for tank. Not sure what you're talking about. Just because a ring can be equipped by another class doesn't mean it's meant for all classes. No wonder you haven't cleared t9; you don't even know the basics.

[Giantbane]

You do need some i110 gear to clear coil and that's why the gear exists. I'm assuming you haven't gotten very far in the new coil. You do NEED a certain amount of vit and DPS to clear t9. T8 and t9 have very high requirements. Also tank rings are meant for tank. Not sure what you're talking about. Just because a ring can be equipped by another class doesn't mean it's meant for all classes. No wonder you haven't cleared t9; you don't even know the basics.

You need DPS & Vit:

DPS - you do probably need some i110 weapons for your DPS (assuming that there's no room for improvement on anyone's current strategy)

Vit - wear tank jewelry that isn't i110

These are solutions that exist in game to clearing the content without the need to wear a whole lot of i110 gear.

One argument that gets thrown around a lot in this discussion (and the one I was specifically responding to), was that you don't need i110 gear outside of coil, but you do need it for coil. IE no one else should get i110 gear except coil 2 raiders because no one else needs it.

The point is that, according to everyone that's managed to complete coil, it doesn't really seem like you NEED it either. Now, as a healer or whatever, you may not *like* wearing tank jewelry to pass the VIT checks, but that certainly doesn't mean you need the i110 gear just because you feel all butt hurt you can't do the content in your fancy healer/dps rings.

And thus the argument that you need this gear to do coil (especially all 12-13 slots worth of it) would be wrong. You just need the weapons, the rest just makes it easier. Kind of like wearing i110 gear for primals or twintana or whatever makes that easier too.

[DosonTheGreat]

You need DPS & Vit:

DPS - you do probably need some i110 weapons for your DPS (assuming that there's no room for improvement on anyone's current strategy)

Vit - wear tank jewelry that isn't i110

These are solutions that exist in game to clearing the content without the need to wear a whole lot of i110 gear.

One argument that gets thrown around a lot in this discussion (and the one I was specifically responding to), was that you don't need i110 gear outside of coil, but you do need it for coil. IE no one else should get i110 gear except coil 2 raiders because no one else needs it.

The point is that, according to everyone that's managed to complete coil, it doesn't really seem like you NEED it either. Now, as a healer or whatever, you may not *like* wearing tank jewelry to pass the VIT checks, but that certainly doesn't mean you need the i110 gear just because you feel all butt hurt you can't do the content in your fancy healer/dps rings.

And thus the argument that you need this gear to do coil (especially all 12-13 slots worth of it) would be wrong. You just need the weapons, the rest just makes it easier. Kind of like wearing i110 gear for primals or twintana or whatever makes that easier too.

Well people would rather not lose main stat points. When i beat turn 9 I had less mind than healers that had never been in coil even though i had 3 pieces of i110 gear. The point I'm making is the developers never intended people to beat the content at the gear level some did. I mainly see the i110 gear as preparing us for next coil because we'll definitely be needing it. What's your point anyway? Are you arguing that people who don't do coil should get the gear?

[Ooshima]

I'm assuming you haven't gotten very far in the new coil. Also tank rings are meant for tank. Not sure what you're talking about. Just because a ring can be equipped by another class doesn't mean it's meant for all classes. No wonder you haven't cleared t9; you don't even know the basics.

That comes a little arrogant, because both healers of BG re-spec some or all of their MND into VIT and they did wear VIT rings to cross the 5k HP mark. You mean that team doesn't know the basics but managed to claim world first?

[DosonTheGreat]

That comes a little arrogant, because both healers of BG re-spec some or all of their MND into VIT and they did wear VIT rings to cross the 5k HP mark. You mean that team doesn't know the basics but managed to claim world first?

What are you talking about? I'm saying HE doesn't know the basics. Obviously BG knew what they were doing. BG used the tank rings to get the vit they wanted. Good job on completely misinterpreting what I said. Their WHM actually their WHM was kinda scrubby; we didn't even need to lustrate or tank swapping for Bahamut's Claw. They're still much better than average players clearly. Not much difference in skill at that level. All about theorycrafting.