PSA Regarding Big Pulls

[Codek]

I don't think the group composition really matters, both melee classes have effective AoE abilities and can kill groups faster when it's 1 big pull. They just have to be smart about it.

the deciding factor is really if everyone (mostly tank/healer) is geared and everyone knows how to play their class effectively. Assuming all of that is true can lead to some horrible mistakes later on when you find out it's not.

[Xieveral]

I can handle big pulls just fine on DRG. Combine your buffs and AoE skills, focus on the annoying/key-dropping mob while they're on cooldown, repeat.

As a tank, big pulls are fun but if your party isn't geared or prepared, you're gonna have a bad time. Ask if everyone's okay with it before going nuts and if they are, remember your cooldowns.

[Billzey]

Every group composition can handle big pulls, except when a silly MNK joins the party. It's still possible if the 2nd DPS is good, but MNK slows things down considerably.

Also, lol @ the person who said you shouldn't have to switch jobs for a speedrun. Seriously? You'd rather gimp the group than change to something useful?

[PArcher]

When I tank, I look at the party comp and their gear.

For the most part, I pull 2 groups max unless the group says to pull more (or 1 group if we have a MNK or undergeared people). I'd rather take it slower and not wipe than try to go faster and wipe.

[Odett]

Every group composition can handle big pulls, except when a silly MNK joins the party. It's still possible if the 2nd DPS is good, but MNK slows things down considerably.

Also, lol @ the person who said you shouldn't have to switch jobs for a speedrun. Seriously? You'd rather gimp the group than change to something useful?

I think what they were trying to say was actually level a job, but at the same time, you're also not responsible for having a BLM but queuing for a random dungeon as a DRG because you want a little variety; you do not owe 3 random players that much. You can Rockbreaker and weave in Howling Fist as MNK, but it won't do stellar damage. You can also Doom Spike and do combo RoTs as DRG and have your TP eaten depending on how big the pull is and your gear and the gear level of your party members, while having a healer full-time heal. You could ALSO pull smaller and not dodge so many monster AoEs so you would not mess up melee positioning moves, and have the healer DPS.

[Shaone]

PSA regarding Monk

I've been noticing more and more people claiming that Monk can't do good AoE. Yet the damage a good Monk can put out in AoE situations where there are 3 minutes of downtime between pulls, such as Brayflox exceeds other jobs except for Black Mage (and the difference there is not as much as you would think, if Foe Requiem is not available). If you're not a monk, don't just assume that we can't handle big pulls.

However, there are many Monks who have been told their job can't AoE well, and thus never realised their true potential.


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What I do:

Build stacks on running mobs the way to the stop point, should aim to have GS2 and be able to execute Rockbreaker as next move, with a fresh stack of Twin Snakes. Then Inner Release -> Blood for Blood -> Rockbreaker -> Perfect Balance -> Rockbreaker x5 (or x4 depending on Skill Speed) -> Invigorate -> Arm of the Destroyer -> Twin Snakes (ideally on mob with highest HP) -> Howling Fist -> Rockbreaker, and single target down the few stragglers that might remain (usually none).

[Darske]

Here's a groundbreaking idea that is sure to cause some stir. Be careful though, this might be so radical that your groups might not go for it. It works like this:

Step 1: Open chat
Step 2: Tell your group how you plan to pull, so they're prepared
Step 3: If the healer doesn't think they can keep up, or if the group in general doesn't like it, then tone it back a bit so everybody is happy.
Step 4: (Victory fanfare goes here)

[Eidolon]

I actually just force-DC'd from a group for this so I could re-que as a tank with a party with some semblance of rationality.

Basically, they wanted a full Brayflox speed run pull. I got complaints from the healer saying "This is sad, I'm streaming this on twitch!" So? Our freaking party comp is SCH, DRG, BRD. Our ST DPS is by far, possibly one of THE best potentials we have. But the bard decided to start going ahead of the group, pulling extra and I won't take for some people that are -that- daft.

So, force DC and call it a day. I'll be back on in 10 minutes and will re-que with people who have some semblance of sanity. If you're gonna go out of your way to grief the tank, I'm just gonna DC because honestly, the time you're wasting 'trying to make the pulls bigger' is just wasting all of our time as you lose DPS upkeep.

[Gaddes]

Here's a groundbreaking idea that is sure to cause some stir. Be careful though, this might be so radical that your groups might not go for it. It works like this:

Step 1: Open chat
Step 2: Tell your group how you plan to pull, so they're prepared
Step 3: If the healer doesn't think they can keep up, or if the group in general doesn't like it, then tone it back a bit so everybody is happy.
Step 4: (Victory fanfare goes here)

Yeah, I was gonna say, as a PLD doing roulettes, if I ever get a dungeon like brayflox or something, I always ask the party before we start if they want a normal run or a speed run. If they want a speed run I then ask if I can do really large pulls and then adjust accordingly. It just comes down to being willing to communicate with your teammates, that's all. (and saving a Hallowed Ground in case that first huge pull goes downhill)

[Meirii]

I look at my party make up if i have 2 mnks little pulls it is if i have a decently geared aoe party bigs pulls it is