So about low roulette...

[IndigoHawk]

I leveled up blm recently through df roulette ... It was frustrating, not because of the wait times, but because of people skipping trash and loot.

I usually roulette as tank, so here's what I'm used to.
First I check the party. If everyone is geared, I usually pull big. If it's too hard or people don't want to do it, I ease off. No big deal.
If people are low level, then I ask if they want xp/loot. If they do, then I do a full clear at a reasonable speed. Also no big deal. It takes a bit longer but gives them a ton of xp and gear they can use.

Anyway, in almost every df I was in leveling a dps, people just skipped everything without asking or checking the party. Or the tank / healer quit if they didn't like the dungeon.

Some people are selfish and treat roulette like their personal myth farming service, rather than as a way to get a reward and have fun helping out lower level players. Not surprising, but disappointing.

[TomTom1968]

I was using DF regularly in the last weeks to finish the low level dungeons for the ATMA books. Low Level Roulette is the worst of all it seems. I am always glad if the party IS low level and no other Level 50 player is around. I rather explain the dungeon to three people and wipe a few times than having to see ego players who think they shine like the Sun and everybody else must play as they think is best (for their egoistic needs).

I wonder why do they do Low Level roulette anyways? For 40 myth tomes? Ridiculous. Can have 10 more in less time doing one of the 2.2 HM dungeons. Go there to help others and bring in some time or stay out ffs.

When I am in a low level dungeon for an Atma book, I go with the pace the people who are actually on that level are setting. If they want to go in every corner because they are looking for gear, then I am on their side. Without bitching or asking to speed up and skip this or that. EXP per mob is actually really nice in these low level dungeons and it seems some of the Endgamers have forgotten about that. And forgotten their manners lol.

Take a step back and ask yourself how it was for you when you entered Sastasha or other low Level dungeons for the 1st time. Did you rush through them? Without making mistakes? I surely didn't and I assume the vast majority didn't either. Stop fishing for the best and quickest runs only. Roulette is to help people and sometimes a troublesome run can also be a satisfying one.

I feel bad for the players who actually just register to a low Level dungeon and then a Level 50 player comes in on Roulette and all he wants is a speedy run without any trouble. And if not, bitching followed by leaving or just silently leaving. I wonder what people on their 1st character think about them or if they can even understand what's going on. I mean when you are fresh, everything is interesting. Each new dungeon I unlocked was something I looked forward to a lot and I was very excited on my first runs into anything that was new to me. Overwhelming sometimes and derping from time to time. Sure. But also loads of fun. But the Level 50 roulette players can ruin such feelings in a few minutes only.

[Artemiz]

I mostly use the low level roulette for my leveling jobs so it's rare I use it on a level 50 and if I do it will be on a healing job and I'm more than happy to kill every mob in the dungeon if that's what people want to do. The deal with the roulette is I get myth for helping others in progression content. If that content is leveling then it's perfectly understandable they want to get as much exp as possible.

When the boot is on the other foot and I'm in a dungeon leveling a class I find it quite frustrating if the group skips half the dungeon, in fact it's one of the hidden perks of leveling a tank class, they usually set the pace and choose what to fight.

[Luxx]

For low roulette:

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another funny thing about that is, a SCH in low level dungeons up till like haukke CAN be the 3rd dps.
fairies can heal their way up. people totally forget that the purpose of the low lvl roulette
is to help new players and you get rewards as well. everyone wins. the lack of patience in this game is overwhelming
to say the least...i mean sheezus.

And by the way, the key here is "to complete dungeons". That's it. It's not meant for speedruns and is not mean for skip trash mobs. But it isn't for full runs either.

But you can use it whatever you want...

So which is it?

[Elvin]

What? The purpose of the low lvl roulette is to help new players? O,o?

Where did you come up with that..? The low level roulette is just another "tool" in the game to have fun. Use it do to whatever you want, exp, gils, tomes...

That may be you opinion. Maybe even a developer said that "it's nice to help new players", and of course, it'sdesigned as a system that will help replayability and the chance for low level player to complete dungeons that almost no one did anymore. But you can use it whatever you want...

And by the way, the key here is "to complete dungeons". That's it. It's not meant for speedruns and is not mean for skip trash mobs. But it isn't for full runs either. It's up to the party to decide that. Usually that means the tank. Don't like the flow? Ask to changue it. They don't want? Deal with it and try to follow it, or leave and take the 30 min.

[ispano]

What? The purpose of the low lvl roulette is to help new players? O,o?

Where did you come up with that..? The low level roulette is just another "tool" in the game to have fun. Use it do to whatever you want, exp, gils, tomes...

That may be you opinion. Maybe even a developer said that "it's nice to help new players", and of course, it'sdesigned as a system that will help replayability and the chance for low level player to complete dungeons that almost no one did anymore. But you can use it whatever you want...

And by the way, the key here is "to complete dungeons". That's it. It's not meant for speedruns and is not mean for skip trash mobs. But it isn't for full runs either. It's up to the party to decide that. Usually that means the tank. Don't like the flow? Ask to changue it. They don't want? Deal with it and try to follow it, or leave and take the 30 min.

Actually, yes, that's basically what the low level roulette is for. But even if it wasn't, most people at the level of the dungeon that you might get did NOT use roulette. They queued normally most likely, and if they're there for experience, what right do you have to rush them? Especially considering that most of the low level dungeons are there for leveling in the first place.

So yeah, you can adapt or leave, but they do have a bit more right there than the L50 who just wants to speed run.

[Elvin]

Luxx, saying that is not for one thing neither for the other, what I'm saying is that it isn't specificaly for any of those options. Those 2 options are a posibility, and no one have any right to enforce any of them.


People saying that new players shoud shut up and do the speedrun are wrong. People saying that players who want speedruns are assholes and shoudn't do the roulette are wrong.

When you enter the roulette you can't expect anything. If you don't like the flow of the dungeons, try to changue it. Ask the tank to skip trash mobs, or ask the tank to do all the trash mobs. Whatever you want. And if they don't want to do what you want, deal with it or leave the dungeon. Just that.

And no one have more right that others, that's just something in your mind for god knows what reason. Yeah, they're probably there for experience. Or maybe just for advance on the main story. And? They're there for that, you are there for another thing. The only compulsory thing is the common goal, complete the dungeon. People doesn't have more rights for being lower or higher level, we are all players.

[Leomoon]

I am a 50 Dragoon but I also have a 33 Tank from me I know the rules of a dungeon and that is, do not piss off the Tank or healer.

Most time you get spoiled brats who think they can boss around anyone in a dungeon when really its the healers and tanks call, if the tank thinks he can hold mobs aggro and the healer can keep up with that then its the DD's job to take them down as fast as they can. When you see that kind of person again just vote to kick them or call them out of being a dick.

[Memoe]

Funny. When I tank low level dungeons via roulette and decide to make it speedy, people are usually glad for a smooth and fast run. Of course it depends if the healer can pull his/her weight too. It offers a bit of challenge, and I think it's what people want in this game. The low level dungeons are tediously easy (even with half the party undergeared), yet so very slow. As a healer I just pop cleric stance and let my fairy do the job.

And really, do you really need that one chest with 1 potion in it and one or two trash mobs guarding it worth less than 1/10000 of your exp bar and 5-10 gil. Really, because that's what most speed runs are skipping.

/edit: And to not sound completely like a major douchebag, I do listen to my party should they want a full and complete clear

[Harmonium]

I was with my tank in toto rak (my tank is level 50, i needed this dungeon for my atma book). I begin to evade other way and chest, and some guys ask me, can we clean everything i'm here for xp.

I have answer sure, and we have clean all the dungeon and i got 3 honors at the end. The thing is to don't think about only yourself but think about other, they are here for xp, if i rush, i will do it only for me. Sometime we need to take 5 minut for clean everything, this is better than be an asshole.