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    Legacy_Wolfwood's Avatar
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    Legacy Wolfwood
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    Machinist Lv 80

    So about low roulette...

    So... I had this happen yesterday. I got on a low level job to level it up. In the q I had my friend with his 50 bard, a random 20ish tank, and a lvl 50 scholar. the tank was pure new. This was his highest level job and we got the notice "one of your party members is new blah blah blah.." lol. So as we were in the dungeon, the scholar proceeds to try and force everyone to go their way, skip mobs, skip chest, and yell at the newer player for not "speeding". shortly after the 2nd boss, they said, "jump off the cliff, its a short cut". A reply of, "There is no point, I'm here for experience. you can take the shortcut but i'm just going to pull the mobs that way then." Then the scholar left the party to eat the penalty just because it wasn't his way.


    My question is, why do some lvl 50s think they have all rights in the low roulette and to make players speed and miss exp/loot? Don't they know that the low roulette is mostly intended to help newer players complete content? If they want tomes, they could probably do 2-3 bray speeds in the same time to complete 1 whole dungeon and net an additional 90 myth...
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    Garlyle's Avatar
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    Alvis Yune
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    Adamantoise
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    Fisher Lv 70
    The short answer is, "because some people are assholes"

    The longer answer is, "unfortunately, some people really are just assholes"

    Take a quiet joy in knowing that ultimately he got absolutely nothing out of that run because he abandoned it.
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    Legacy Wolfwood
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlyle View Post
    Take a quiet joy in knowing that ultimately he got absolutely nothing out of that run because he abandoned it.
    yeah, thats what made it worth it in the end. he wasted 15 mins in the dungeon and then had to eat the penalty.
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    Elvin Rath
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    Moogle
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    Alchemist Lv 51
    My question is, why do some low levels think they have all rights in the low roulette and to make players go slowly and loss his time? Don't they know that the low roulette is mostly intended to help newer players complete content? If they want exp, they could probably do FATE's on that extra time and get more exp.

    Because, I mean..is the same. Why can anyone enforce what he wants to the others, no matter who they are?
    That aside, I don't undertand why any lvl 50 do low level roulette. I only do it when I'm leveling a class. And even when I' leveling I want to do the dungeon as fast as possible. Why? Well. Multiple reasons. It's more efficient. It's more fun. You know how fun is doing Copperbell as a SCH? It is not fun at all. I can use "Follow" a rangued DPS and Eos will do all the work for me as long as I come near my mouse from time to time to move the camera. And in higher lvl dungeons it's almost de same..."almost".

    That's why I prefer big pulls. And I prefer to skip trash mobs when we can cause if you're doing roulette you get more exp if you finish in less time. At least I think so. And anyway, exp/time will be better.
    But of course I don't have the right do make people do as I say. And I shoudn't , that woudn't be fair. But of course I can leave if a dungeon that I think coud take 20 minutes to a good party is going to take 60 and I don't mind to take the penalty.
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    Kule Ito
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    Ragnarok
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    Lancer Lv 75
    I find it stupid why anyone would go into a DR expecting SR's. Even the high level or expert you get tanks that try to speed run when the other party members are under geared or lack experience.

    Like you said speed running BF HM in PF would be a way better use of their time so weird they even bother with DR.
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    Just another turd in the DF as usual, you better off without him.

    If he wants the myth tomes so bad (only thing worth you get from low lvl roulette as lvl 50) then why don't you just make a PF group and speedrun Brayflox a couple of times? You will get much more tomes in less time.
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    Aiya Lorana
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    Balmung
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvin View Post
    My question is, why do some low levels think they have all rights in the low roulette and to make players go slowly and loss his time? Don't they know that the low roulette is mostly intended to help newer players complete content? If they want exp, they could probably do FATE's on that extra time and get more exp.
    Low Roulette isn't always people doing roulette. The system fits people looking for roulette into a dungeon with someone looking for that specific dungeon. The Roulette system was not designed for people to just spam for free stuff, it's there so you can get a bonus for helping someone in need.

    So, if you don't want to full clear, stop doing low roulette ffs.
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    A'linhbo Taqah
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Simply put, it's because many max level players want to rip through whatever daily they have so they can get their tomes, and get out.

    When I tank a lowbie roulette, I made it a habit to check the party. If they were all synched from and in high level gear, I ran through and busted it out. If players were lower level or new, I'll ask if they want a full clear, or a tome run (usually people don't have an issue either way, some have just warned me they have like 45 mins and have to be somewhere so you work with the situation).

    Point is, lots of experienced players have run the dungeons so much that they've boiled it down to the fastest method (such as sac pulls in Coil 1-1) and get upset if anyone dares not speed run.

    It sucks, but you can't fix internet nature.
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    Teamgizzy Tinypom
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    Exodus
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    Archer Lv 50
    Maybe one day when there are millions of more players ( hopefully ) they can have 2 different duty finders for people who want to speed run and those who are there are the sights and exp.
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    Akujin Aetheoryn
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    Sargatanas
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    My general rule of thumb is - if I didn't make the party, then dont try to own it after queuing in. I can run either way, be it a speed or a standard method. Generally a low level roulette I'll go in as a mnk or a brd due to ease of combat at lower levels and the skills available versus my main of blm on end content. Plus, being on a melee dd helps ensure that if I get put in with a brd or an caster dd, that there's no issues regarding the usage of the LB for the final boss.

    Joining any DF party, through intentional selection or roulette should be left up to everyone in the party. If you don't like the flow, then get out, no role is irreplaceable, no matter how wonderful of a tank, healer or dps you may think you are.

    It's also why whenever I happen to go into a main scenario roulette and the tanks want to push the content ahead in a SR method, typically with at least one obviously new person to the run, I just shrug it off and let them. I've been locked out of the first fight several times due to the load times on the PS3, I truly do not even care anymore.


    Party Finder was designed for this exact reason as well and this same topic will come up until the end of time most likely. If you specifically want to just speed run things, then create your own party. Unless, upon joining a party, if everyone agrees on the same flow, then great. If not, accept it or bail, but you cannot truly force anyone to play the way you want.
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