So about low roulette...

[Alacran]

Tha'ts not true. (the first part of what you say) I never do low level roulette as a 50, only when leveling. And almost never want a full run.

Easy to say when you already have a lvl 50 class/ job. for those who do not however the low lvl duty roulette system offer help form experienced players who are being compensated for their time via tomes and in some cases gill. It has been explained by many previous posters, it is a tool designed to help the low lvl players not for speed runs catered to high lvl tome farming.

[Elvie]

Tha'ts not true. (the first part of what you say) I never do low level roulette as a 50, only when leveling. And almost never want a full run.

How nice for you. And yet, as a new player I have yet to touch the roulette, but main story quests REQUIRE me to use the DF to complete Main Story quests. This means that in order to progress with main story and therefore unlock things like using a mount for example, I queue DF for the specified dungeon and end up partied with experienced players doing roulette - that is how it works.

If you don't like spending the time to help new players complete the dungeons they have to do for their main story, then don't do roulette. It's that simple.

[Foo01]

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People saying that new players shoud shut up and do the speedrun are wrong. People saying that players who want speedruns are assholes and shoudn't do the roulette are wrong.
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This is the problem with your attitude. This is a completely false equivalency. Just like Fox (or rather faux) news saying they are fair and balanced, when it is really neither. New players don't know what they can't have already known, so there is no way they can go any faster than they are trying to their best to do. It is like asking a 7 year-old to dunk a basketball, he might if had time to grow and practice, but not at 7. Just because there are two sides, does NOT automatically make the two side equal.

So people that insist that newbs speedrun is clearly being delusional. The success of rates of these is clearly well below 100%, perhaps not even over 25%. It take only one wipe to make a speedrun pointless and forcing the new player to skip cut scenes that they have never seen before is just wrong. And the speedrunner will never have time to ask, teach, or guide, or even negotiate, because by definition doing any of those is no longer a speedrun.

The speed running tanks will just silently run off, and if I am a healer as I often do, I just let them pull and die on their own, and then ask if everyone is ready, and lets work together. If I am the tank, which is what I am trying to learn and figure out right now, I get mouthy pushy healer or DPS speedrunner, I'll will check every room, pull small groups one at time and let them get the aggro and deal with it themselves if they are going to be complete jerks about it.

As a DPS which my main, unforntunately I had to put up with all this crap and just go with the flow way too many times, and sometimes no flow at all since everyone is wiping over and over... That is pure frustration. If the healer and tanks are pissing at each other, there is really no speed run to be had.

[Lamentations]

As a tank main, I actually really enjoy helping newbies get EXP and chests in Low Level dungeons. I'll always ask first though. I figure that if I were in their shoes, I'd really appreciate the help personally.

And you are the only thing that will keep this system alive for any length of time, Yoshi-Ps leveling system of 1-50 in 3 weeks or less has put the vast % of players at endgame already, leaving new players to fend for themselves.

In theory this system works, however in practice your dependent on players who are either assholes and self centered, or players like you who are 1/100 of the population.

I see more of this happening in the future and the slow exodus of new player subs, the experience at the beginning of the game is what will make or break new players staying or leaving.

It is fine to have that level 1-50 sprint unless those new players get hung up somewhere and start having to deal with players who are less than patient, and it has been mentioned that a lot of PS4 players are probably RPG players and unused to this.

Perhaps the game can stay afloat with new level 50 content and the hardcore FF crowd I don't know, but trying to please everyone never works.

[Rufalus]

When I enter a duty I am always prepared to take the long, slow way to the end. In other words the standard way. And if people get things wrong it makes me more motivated to help them despite it taking longer. I think everyone should be respectful and courteous to other players, and only abandon if you have a good reason to, and apologise on your way out if you must leave. A large amount of people are incredibly impatient these days at least on my data center. I wish for people to be more accomodating of other people's play styles, speed and ability. Adapt to each group rather than force your way on others.

[Kiara1]

If at least one party member needs gear/exp I don't mind killing everything even though I find it really boring.

That's the way it should be.

Although you should be able to do duty roulette with 3 friends so that you can do it quickly and also get the reward for the roulette so that people who don't want to go through a dungeon they've done 50 times (I'm talking to you Tam tara!) can do it their way

[Vahlnir]

When I queue for low level roulette, I always expect full clears or mostly full clears. In my opinion the lower level players in it have more of a say in what happens. They would be foolish to skip exp or chests if they are needed, but some actually are in a hurry to finish so I can't really complain with that. It all depends on the people you get as always.

[waldo]

Maybe, just maybe... This guy wasn't a low level DF? Could have been there specifically for that instance (animus book maybe?). Either way the blame is on you as much as anyone. Not to be a troll, but really now, if you can't follow suit and go the path of least resistance then don't complain when someone quits on you for not taking the easy route.

Not saying it's right, but to clear that instance you clearly needed the healer more than he needed you. Sometimes you just got to suck it up and go with the flow. There are other ways to get exp.

[Ryihito]

I was with my tank in toto rak (my tank is level 50, i needed this dungeon for my atma book). I begin to evade other way and chest, and some guys ask me, can we clean everything i'm here for xp.

I have answer sure, and we have clean all the dungeon and i got 3 honors at the end. The thing is to don't think about only yourself but think about other, they are here for xp, if i rush, i will do it only for me. Sometime we need to take 5 minut for clean everything, this is better than be an asshole.

I like you.

[Nayto]

My question is, why do some lvl 50s think they have all rights in the low roulette and to make players speed and miss exp/loot? Don't they know that the low roulette is mostly intended to help newer players complete content? If they want tomes, they could probably do 2-3 bray speeds in the same time to complete 1 whole dungeon and net an additional 90 myth...

This is why, and this is usually with lvl 50s with just doing it to level an alternate job that they got gear on:
The bonus is all you need.


So far the roulette bonus compensates you for missing mobs (from what I've read from one thread). They also know that if your there for the clear, you can just proceed with the quest faster since the main quest gives you enough exp (in the case of lvl 40s, just run a dezhemel/aurom vale exp run). Missing 2-3 mobs shaves off minutes from your fetch quest anyways, and gets people to where they want faster. They would also argue that if you wanted to be 'efficient' with the exp from the dungeon, you should just do duty roulettes to obtain the exp, and utilize the main quests for the bulk.

This is the answer I got from arguing with a healer when I pulled all mobs and didn't simply jump to that one spot in haukke manor (normal) to skip 2 mob packs.

Trash is forever trash I guess. Even when those weak-ass beetles in wanderer's palace dropped 100gil ea back then, people still get peeved if you bother with them.