Does defense skills work in wolves'den area ?

[Yotsu]

I've met a number of ignorant healers and others who refuse to use such abilities in PVP. They seem to be forgetting something very important, regardless of whether or not the defense applies.

Pop quiz: What do Wither, Glory Slash, One Ilm Punch, and numerous other abilities have in common?

There are abilities out there that dispel your buffs. Having a useless buff up to filter the dispel and keep your other important buffs up is pretty good. If you're a healer and you're too stubborn to take two seconds to prepare your team before battle, you probably shouldn't be doing PVP.

Always keep those buffs up to help your party out and filter out the crippling dispel attacks.

As a SCH there is nothing to cut for Protect other skills are just so much better, even if protect would work.
SCH: Cleric Stance, Blizzard2, Swiftcast, Surecast, Stoneskin

[Rjain]

As a SCH there is nothing to cut for Protect other skills are just so much better, even if protect would work.
SCH: Cleric Stance, Blizzard2, Swiftcast, Surecast, Stoneskin

I don't understand what you're saying.

The purpose of having protect up is to prevent you from having your other buffs removed. If you have only stoneskin up and I decide to run up to you and do wither + a nuke rotation, you will die. There have been times I've used wither and just knocked off protect, leaving better buffs up on the target, and making that wither practically useless. The fact that protect, even if it's useless, acts like a wall to absorb dispel attacks for everyone on the team, and it takes a second to cast at the start, it's no dice. There is no reason not to use it and the healers who choose not to are just stubbornly gimping their team.

[Yotsu]

The purpose of having protect up is to prevent you from having your other buffs removed. If you have only stoneskin up and I decide to run up to you and do wither + a nuke rotation, you will die. There have been times I've used wither and just knocked off protect, leaving better buffs up on the target, and making that wither practically useless. The fact that protect, even if it's useless, acts like a wall to absorb dispel attacks for everyone on the team, and it takes a second to cast at the start, it's no dice. There is no reason not to use it and the healers who choose not to are just stubbornly gimping their team.

Which skill would you cut to put in a one time "dispell" barrier?
If you want to kill a SCH right of the start you have to deal ~6,5k dmg, and that's not going to happen.

[Edenlys]

As scholar, stoneskin suck

[Yotsu]

As scholar, stoneskin suck

Using an useless skill with an chance that it "may" absorb a dispell versus a recastable shield for ~500 which stops cast interruptions

Sorry but no.

[Rjain]

I don't see what your argument is lol. You are literally arguing against doing something that will help you and your party (remember, protect goes on your ENTIRE party, not just you, and they have other buffs that they don't want dispelled).

So, taking one second to cast something at the start of battle that you have one whole minute to do. There are no negative consequences to casting it, whereas there are negative consequences to not casting it. You are not going to lose buffs by casting it. You are taking one second to help yourself and your party.

It is mindblowing why a healer won't take one second to help their party at the start of a match when they have a whole minute to do nothing else but twiddle their thumbs, and these healers tend to get eaten by the competition. To not cast a spell that will help your party that is incredibly easy to do shows utter incompetence.

Using an useless skill with an chance that it "may" absorb a dispell versus a recastable shield for ~500 which stops cast interruptions

Sorry but no.

PHEW GOOD THING YOU CAN HAVE BOTH ON AT THE SAME TIME.

Which skill would you cut to put in a one time "dispell" barrier?
If you want to kill a SCH right of the start you have to deal ~6,5k dmg, and that's not going to happen.

A summoner's opening combo in PVP can exceed 8,000 damage to someone with equal or less morale and has been done quite frequently in 50s I assure you.

[Yotsu]

You are literally arguing against doing something that will help you and your party

My argument is that Stoneskin is way more usefull than Protect in any way.

(remember, protect goes on your ENTIRE party, not just you, and they have other buffs that they don't want dispelled).

So does Stoneskin.

Skills like Glory Slash etc. are 90% of the time used for the dmg in an oGCD and dispell nothing. So again i should be using an skill that does nothing for the small CHANCE that it prevents the dispell of something mostly useless anyway.

PHEW GOOD THING YOU CAN HAVE BOTH ON AT THE SAME TIME.

As a SCH you can't

Scholar crosskills:
Cleric Stance, Surecast, Swiftcast, Stoneskin, Blizzard 2

A summoner's opening combo in PVP can exceed 8,000 damage to someone with equal or less morale and has been done quite frequently in 50s I assure you.

There is no way for any healer to die to opening burst.
It is so obvious when they come at you sprinting while throwing every possible buff.

[Edenlys]

Stoneskin is just a beginning buff, during game if you prefer use stoneskin (3s casting time for a shield about 10% of HP max) instead of adloquium (2s casting time with heal and better shield) is your choice. Even if protect doesn't work (I'm pretty sure thats work), it prevent buff removing by dispel benefit abilities (covered by tank for example).

If you remove a cross-skill to bring blizzard2, it's certainly not protect, stoneskin is nothing more than a preparing buff mostly

[Rjain]

My argument is that Stoneskin is way more usefull than Protect in any way.

You can have both on at the start...

Skills like Glory Slash etc. are 90% of the time used for the dmg in an oGCD and dispell nothing.

Half the time I use Wither is for the dispel, and it always dispels. Sometimes it dispels a useless protect, other times it dispels stoneskin and then the target is usually dead immediately after.

Scholar crosskills:
Cleric Stance, Surecast, Swiftcast, Stoneskin, Blizzard 2

Drop Blizzard 2 for Protect. If your team mates are smart they will do the binding for you. Most matches only last around 25-40 seconds, so it is the opening that's the most important. If everyone bursts their dispels on your team and gets rid of their important buffs, you could very well be screwed. As a healer you'd be busy healing people, not running around binding them. I certainly hope I don't see a healer waste a swiftcast on a blizzard.

There is no way for any healer to die to opening burst.

There have been many, many healers who have died to the opening combos of SMNs and other jobs and your Blizzard 2 is not going to save you from it lol.

Edit: In regard to the cross skills, I didn't understand in earlier posts that's what you meant so now I see what your argument is. While Blizzard 2 and Cleric's Stance might work well for you, your job as a healer is to keep your team alive and get them prepared. Neither of those are going to help your team. Maybe if you're running a premade and have a strategy in order, but if you are solo queuing they are poor choices (especially Blizzard 2). Again, Protect helps the entire team. While its defense capabilities are questionable and probably useless in 50s, there have been many times I've witnessed an ignorant healer mess up the team from not casting protect because the opponents will come up and dispel stoneskin and other useful buffs and then wipe the team. It could have been easily avoided.

[maxm92]

Drop Blizzard 2 for Protect. If your team mates are smart they will do the binding for you. Most matches only last around 25-40 seconds, so it is the opening that's the most important. If everyone bursts their dispels on your team and gets rid of their important buffs, you could very well be screwed. As a healer you'd be busy healing people, not running around binding them. I certainly hope I don't see a healer waste a swiftcast on a blizzard

seems we are not playing the same game Oo even if there is some lvl 30-40 vs me , the match last minimum 4 minutes , most of the time i m loosing on stun LB.

drop blizzard 2 for protect is silly imo , scholar does t have any cc anymore and he loose he s last AE CC for what? any buff which doesnt work ? -_-

thats really a strange strategy for me :/