Does defense skills work in wolves'den area ?

[Yotsu]

As scholar, stoneskin suck

Using an useless skill with an chance that it "may" absorb a dispell versus a recastable shield for ~500 which stops cast interruptions

Sorry but no.

[Rjain]

I don't see what your argument is lol. You are literally arguing against doing something that will help you and your party (remember, protect goes on your ENTIRE party, not just you, and they have other buffs that they don't want dispelled).

So, taking one second to cast something at the start of battle that you have one whole minute to do. There are no negative consequences to casting it, whereas there are negative consequences to not casting it. You are not going to lose buffs by casting it. You are taking one second to help yourself and your party.

It is mindblowing why a healer won't take one second to help their party at the start of a match when they have a whole minute to do nothing else but twiddle their thumbs, and these healers tend to get eaten by the competition. To not cast a spell that will help your party that is incredibly easy to do shows utter incompetence.

Using an useless skill with an chance that it "may" absorb a dispell versus a recastable shield for ~500 which stops cast interruptions

Sorry but no.

PHEW GOOD THING YOU CAN HAVE BOTH ON AT THE SAME TIME.

Which skill would you cut to put in a one time "dispell" barrier?
If you want to kill a SCH right of the start you have to deal ~6,5k dmg, and that's not going to happen.

A summoner's opening combo in PVP can exceed 8,000 damage to someone with equal or less morale and has been done quite frequently in 50s I assure you.

[Yotsu]

You are literally arguing against doing something that will help you and your party

My argument is that Stoneskin is way more usefull than Protect in any way.

(remember, protect goes on your ENTIRE party, not just you, and they have other buffs that they don't want dispelled).

So does Stoneskin.

Skills like Glory Slash etc. are 90% of the time used for the dmg in an oGCD and dispell nothing. So again i should be using an skill that does nothing for the small CHANCE that it prevents the dispell of something mostly useless anyway.

PHEW GOOD THING YOU CAN HAVE BOTH ON AT THE SAME TIME.

As a SCH you can't

Scholar crosskills:
Cleric Stance, Surecast, Swiftcast, Stoneskin, Blizzard 2

A summoner's opening combo in PVP can exceed 8,000 damage to someone with equal or less morale and has been done quite frequently in 50s I assure you.

There is no way for any healer to die to opening burst.
It is so obvious when they come at you sprinting while throwing every possible buff.

[Edenlys]

Stoneskin is just a beginning buff, during game if you prefer use stoneskin (3s casting time for a shield about 10% of HP max) instead of adloquium (2s casting time with heal and better shield) is your choice. Even if protect doesn't work (I'm pretty sure thats work), it prevent buff removing by dispel benefit abilities (covered by tank for example).

If you remove a cross-skill to bring blizzard2, it's certainly not protect, stoneskin is nothing more than a preparing buff mostly

[Rjain]

My argument is that Stoneskin is way more usefull than Protect in any way.

You can have both on at the start...

Skills like Glory Slash etc. are 90% of the time used for the dmg in an oGCD and dispell nothing.

Half the time I use Wither is for the dispel, and it always dispels. Sometimes it dispels a useless protect, other times it dispels stoneskin and then the target is usually dead immediately after.

Scholar crosskills:
Cleric Stance, Surecast, Swiftcast, Stoneskin, Blizzard 2

Drop Blizzard 2 for Protect. If your team mates are smart they will do the binding for you. Most matches only last around 25-40 seconds, so it is the opening that's the most important. If everyone bursts their dispels on your team and gets rid of their important buffs, you could very well be screwed. As a healer you'd be busy healing people, not running around binding them. I certainly hope I don't see a healer waste a swiftcast on a blizzard.

There is no way for any healer to die to opening burst.

There have been many, many healers who have died to the opening combos of SMNs and other jobs and your Blizzard 2 is not going to save you from it lol.

Edit: In regard to the cross skills, I didn't understand in earlier posts that's what you meant so now I see what your argument is. While Blizzard 2 and Cleric's Stance might work well for you, your job as a healer is to keep your team alive and get them prepared. Neither of those are going to help your team. Maybe if you're running a premade and have a strategy in order, but if you are solo queuing they are poor choices (especially Blizzard 2). Again, Protect helps the entire team. While its defense capabilities are questionable and probably useless in 50s, there have been many times I've witnessed an ignorant healer mess up the team from not casting protect because the opponents will come up and dispel stoneskin and other useful buffs and then wipe the team. It could have been easily avoided.

[maxm92]

Drop Blizzard 2 for Protect. If your team mates are smart they will do the binding for you. Most matches only last around 25-40 seconds, so it is the opening that's the most important. If everyone bursts their dispels on your team and gets rid of their important buffs, you could very well be screwed. As a healer you'd be busy healing people, not running around binding them. I certainly hope I don't see a healer waste a swiftcast on a blizzard

seems we are not playing the same game Oo even if there is some lvl 30-40 vs me , the match last minimum 4 minutes , most of the time i m loosing on stun LB.

drop blizzard 2 for protect is silly imo , scholar does t have any cc anymore and he loose he s last AE CC for what? any buff which doesnt work ? -_-

thats really a strange strategy for me :/

[Rjain]

seems we are not playing the same game Oo even if there is some lvl 30-40 vs me , the match last minimum 4 minutes , most of the time i m loosing on stun LB.

Key word there, "some".

Not "most".

"Most" matches are extremely short unless you are doing 4v4 premades, in which case, do whatever you are most comfortable with and whatever is effective for your own team.

I am speaking based on what I've witnessed from my battlegroup. The matches with healers who do not cast protect tend to go worse than the matches where healers do. Having a buff that practically makes you immune to having other buffs dispelled is critical in the opening of a fight.

[maxm92]

never seen that , maybe because i am my own healer?