Content sellers and Party Finder

[Sapphic]

I don't need to "try" anything. Macrocosmic view: There is an exchange of virtual money for virtual goods &/or services between players. This is a non-issue.

You are just trying to justify your point with a strawman argument.

Buying crafted gear is part of the game and gears you up to attempt and finally vanquish the content so you can progress the game. The crafter does not help you dodge WotL. manage your rotation for burning down Conflags or assist your ability to handle a myriad of different mechanics that are in game.

Gear does not save you if you cannot handle or learn mechanics! Buying content wins nullifies your need to learn and adapt to handling mechanics, so if you return to that content or progress to the next without paying. You will still not be able to deal with the mechanics. Thus you do not deserve that win.

Answer this Mr strawman: How would buying penta melded ilvl 90 gear help you if you cannot dodge landslides at all?

[Awrini]

You are just trying to justify your point with a strawman argument.

Buying crafted gear is part of the game and gears you up to attempt and finally vanquish the content so you can progress the game. The crafter does not help you dodge WotL. manage your rotation for burning down Conflags or assist your ability to handle a myriad of different mechanics that are in game.

Gear does not save you if you cannot handle or learn mechanics! Buying content wins nullifies your need to learn and adapt to handling mechanics, so if you return to that content or progress to the next without paying. You will still not be able to deal with the mechanics. Thus you do not deserve that win.

Answer this Mr strawman: How would buying penta melded ilvl 90 gear help you if you cannot dodge landslides at all?

Post in a nutshell:
How's that 25% echo buff working out for you in titan HM?

[Moirear]

I would never buy/sell runs because I'm too greedy to spend gil on clears because I'll eventually get it done, but also too busy doing other stuff, usually practicing the clears of said content with FC mates.

That said, concerning the argument of people clearing content without having the skills to back it up. The FC I'm in has a clear stance of not selling runs. I don't know how many people we've carried via DF or PF when we had just one spot to fill with a random player, but it happens weekly. Some of these players were clearly carried, and did not learn nor practice how to clear the fight because we one-shot it for them, but now they are open to access even more difficult content. Why is this less objectionable than those who reached the same goal, albeit not for free? I think it's a hollow argument because there are always people who get carried through content. If you recruit people to PUG with you for difficult content, you'll get a few bad apples now and then, whether they were carried previously or not, and that's just bad luck. I think it's a strawman argument to claim that clears sold is creating some sort of network of awful players in the higher echelon of endgame content who will ruin your playing experience.

All I can ask of you is to please stop hating on players that you think are inferior to you. Players selling runs are not some degenerates who fuel the RMT economy; what they're doing is filling a niche of emergent gameplay as in-game mercenaries. Players who buy runs or get carried through content are not sub-human gamer trash who shouldn't share the privilege of playing the same game as you. For all you know, some of the latter just need practice to end up being better at the game than you...

[Moirear]

People being carried when they buy clears is a moot point. If I had to bet on whether more people get carried for free by friends/FC than those who buy a carry with gil, my money would be on the majority of carries in this game being for free.

I still think that this (reasonable) assumption makes that specific point (selling content being objectionable because of people—who couldn't down it otherwise—progressing) a hollow argument in this discussion.

[RumiP]

People being carried when they buy clears is a moot point. If I had to bet on whether more people get carried for free by friends/FC than those who buy a carry with gil, my money would be on the majority of carries in this game being for free.

I wonder how many FCs who had regular statics for 1-5 are now taking turns running individual members lagging behind in content through turn 5.

[alhandra]

I wonder how many FCs who had regular statics for 1-5 are now taking turns running individual members lagging behind in content through turn 5.

any FC worth its weight in salt will make its members get their own T5 clears.

[Kaze3434]

any FC worth its weight in salt will make its members get their own T5 clears.

thus continuing the "hey join our friendly group.... to watch 8-16 of us do stuff you wont be able to do unless you get with other people, some not in our fc!" you dont have to carry people but you could teach a group instead of leaving them out to fend alone.

[KitanaiKoneko]

any FC worth its weight in salt will get its members their T5 clears.

Fixed that one for ya.

[kidvideo]

Answer this Mr strawman: How would buying penta melded ilvl 90 gear help you if you cannot dodge landslides at all?

That's 1 mechanic from 1 trial. If they don't have skill, luck may keep them alive. If they die, the group may succeed. But melded gear & even the Echo can undeniably help someone pass their objective.

By your argument, the only difference between an FC that carries an inexperienced member & a merc party is the exchange of gil. The inexperienced will die in an FC group yet they will still advance, same as a merc group. They may never care to learn the mechanic. There is no real difference, yet one is legit to you & the other isn't. That's your opinion.

Same with the DoH & DoL classes crafting & melding relics. Do it yourself or buy it from MB. Personally, I leveled my DoH's & DoL's to gather my mats, craft & meld my own relic. But I have nothing against someone who doesn't have the time to invest like I did. Pointing our similarities here doesn’t make it invalid.

You can wear you "no merc" badge of personal "honor" proudly. But for those who don't have the time to invest in the game, don't have FC's or reliable & experienced FC's, & are unable to pass the content with DF or PF... merc groups may be their only option.