DF one big cess pool for practice

[Elven]

[QUOTE=Evil_Betox;2073460]What do you want? You get randoms everytime you use the DF, if you want skilled people you should make your own party.

Seriously i brainstormed on this one, i don't know what you really want and what can be changed in the duty

Well I figured they could have a primal daily double to help new players beyond that I draw a blank.

[ispano]

People also don't get to decided its not for practice (ironic). It's intentional purpose is not degraded, since you can still beat bosses with it.
Also people expect to practice in Duty Finder and win in Party Finder, you telling them to go straight into Party Finder would hurt them since usually you need experience to get a Party Finder party.
The systems been established, use it to your advantage.

No you don't. People just refuse to make groups and instead practice in DF. DF is there so people can "get things done" when they have time constraints and the like. So when people relegate it to practice/learning only, you lose the ability to have some chance at winning.

I never said people couldn't learn and practice in DF. I said people need to stop relegating it to ONLY that, which is what's happening and it's wrong.

[Lamentations]

By making a group for it.

Let me spell it out for you, FC has 60+ members, roughly 30 of those are daily regulars, most are multiple 50 and endgame, coil, atma grind etc.

New guy says hey can anyone help me out with tam tara?, lol wut? DF dude.

If your a first timer in any dungeon your "practicing", because "you have never done it before".

Your talking about groups?, whytf do these 30 people have a "group" at all?.

FCs at this stage in the game are just static coil groups, if your new you go it alone DF dude.

New players roam a vast empty wasteland at low level unless people are atma grinding there, then 3 noobs que up for DF and get one vet, who promptly rages about noobs and drops, screwing the whole party.

I guess I "do" need to start forming PF groups, and put up conditions that say "no vets. no speedruns", just noobs.

[blowfin]

I said people need to stop relegating it to ONLY that, which is what's happening and it's wrong.

Who are you the DF Police or something? People can (and will) use it any way they want. There's no "right" or 'wrong" way, only what you've made up in your mind.

[Elvin]

No you don't. People just refuse to make groups and instead practice in DF. DF is there so people can "get things done" when they have time constraints and the like. So when people relegate it to practice/learning only, you lose the ability to have some chance at winning.

I never said people couldn't learn and practice in DF. I said people need to stop relegating it to ONLY that, which is what's happening and it's wrong.

People can use it without knowing the fight -> Most people that knows the fight don't want to play with people who doesn't -> People who know the fights will skip DF unless for the most trivial fights.
Is that wrong? Well, if it's wrong to you,I'm sorry but you'll have to deal with it or maybe move to a JP datacenter. (Maybe...But I'm not sure at all)

That won't changue.I can say it clearly myself, I won't enter a Leviathan DF or a Titan EM DF.Maybe in 12 months with ilvl 150 or something like that , when 4 o 5 players coud kill him

[Kuwagami]

Let me spell it out for you, FC has 60+ members, roughly 30 of those are daily regulars, most are multiple 50 and endgame, coil, atma grind etc.

New guy says hey can anyone help me out with tam tara?, lol wut? DF dude.

A FC like that is just terrible and I would leave asap for a better and friendlier one. One FC I know has 100+ people and always find more people to help than there are new players requiring help.. even with Coil, atma, etc..

Who are you the DF Police or something? People can (and will) use it any way they want. There's no "right" or 'wrong" way, only what you've made up in your mind.

It's just common sense. If you are really trying to learn, you need to adapt with your group to the mechanics, and that requires time. It's not that long for 4 men dungeons so it's okay to go blindfold in these, but for the difficult content (HMs back in time, EX now), 1 hour won't be enough to :
=> get along well and work as a group
=> learn content
=> clear content


That's why PF is here, because it gives people you can requeue with and thus skip steps 1 and 2 (step 2 after a few times in).

As an example, I learned titan EX in DF (due to time schedule) and it took forever. Then it took even longer to kill it, and I only got my kill in PF. (4 month in total, 3 hours a day)
Then, I used PF for Levi ex, and I knew the fight's ins and outs after 3 hours practicing, and then only needed 30 mins more to get the kill and enter farm mode..

I won't enter a Leviathan DF or a Titan EM DF.Maybe in 12 months with ilvl 150 or something like that , when 4 o 5 players coud kill him

good news then, you can't DF levi ex

[Lamentations]

[QUOTE=Kuwagami;2074148]A FC like that is just terrible and I would leave asap for a better and friendlier one.

It's not a terrible FC, I have known many of these people for years, they are busy, with coil, atmas, tomes, "jobs" etc.

Because I was out for a month they all crammed to endgame, when they are done grinding the content mentioned above they are burnt out, and do not want to grind content they have done before.

Df is a problem "because" the leveling in this game is light speed, and the vast majority of players are at or near 50/endgame etc.

The combination of these things makes for a facepalm/ bang your head on the desk mess at low level.

The options for clearing storyline content in this game without those vets tagging along is nonexistent, unless you want to memorize a youtube video before every run.

Oh well im done with this topic, ill just start making my own PF groups, and blist as I go.

[NinjaTaru72]

No offence, Your fc must just suck. If they dont want to help. I'm in a fc that, even though they are done, they have gladly jumped in low level and endgame dungeons to help me catch up and get ready for 2.3 and beyond.

[Nadrojj]

I don't know how people rely on anything via duty finder. You're better off spending that time looking for a FC or LS that can run the content instead of relying on a bunch of people you don't know.

[Nevik]

just last night I queued up for Titan HM to practice my BLM in a "real" fight... but of course I didn't go in not knowing nothing about BLM.. I did some practice on some trash mobs out in the world, then when I thought I'm doing ok, I decided to test it on something that mattered and we 1 shot it... of course it helps that I know that fight by heart, but not everyone that goes in DF to practice will fail..