the new tank mounts

[Traek]

Because you can farm those ridiculously easily and insanely quickly with barely any effort. The fastest qualifying content for the tank achieve is t4, which takes at least 10 minutes, closer to 15 at the minimum (if you wipe, it'll go up way higher), and can't be completed by people that don't have at least a reasonable foundation in how to tank. The devs didn't want to make it an achieve that people would get as alt-tanks; they wanted to make an achievement to reward people who actually main as tank (and to encourage people to start maining as tank more often).

To be fair, T4 can be done faster then any dungeon in game. Not even 10 minutes really. Our FC group was doing it in 6min or under yesterday just farming some gear, and it was just random FC members, not like our raiding group. The 15% buff is pretty ridiculous.. and it will only get easier with future buffs. T4 takes a little coordination but I wouldn't qualify it as 'hard' these days, especially with full i90s being pretty standard.

Perhaps if they had done a system involving both, or one or the other, it would have been better. For instance, 100 8 mans and 200 high level dungeons, or whatever. Every career tank I've known could care less about these mounts because it is just too much effort to be bothered. We continue to tank, and check the bar occasionally for where we stand. Heck, I don't even know what I'm at.. prob like 40/200 for each job, if not less on one or the other. I do want the mount, it just isn't worth it. Especially stretching myself thing playing tank constantly instead of relaxing on a DD/heal, or simply helping out FC members on what is needed.

[Kitru]

To be fair, T4 can be done faster then any dungeon in game. Not even 10 minutes really. Our FC group was doing it in 6min or under yesterday just farming some gear, and it was just random FC members, not like our raiding group.

6 minutes on the inside. I've yet to see any group that doesn't add at least 2-3 minutes between runs, when you add up loading times, breaks, etc., which is where I got the 10 minutes from.

It's also not the same as doing the expert level dungeons. I've done expert dungeons via DF in under 20 minutes, even when there are people that have no idea what they're doing. That is *never* going to happen in a t4 run. You're only every going to see the 10 minute turn over on t4 when you're running with a group of skilled players that know the content and work well together. Expert dungeons involve no organization whatsoever; coil runs actually do require organization, whether it's PF, LS, or FC (or static).

Every career tank I've known could care less about these mounts because it is just too much effort to be bothered.

And I doubt the devs expected any or even a significant minority of tanks to get the mounts. The people that have them now are not the normal tanks, even amongst the "career tanks" (and every single one of them that I've seen is most definitely a "career tank"). We're those crazy bastards that were willing to smash our heads into content time and time again to get it.

As I said before, the devs obviously didn't design the tank achieves with short term acquisition in mind. If you've got 40/200, you're on a pretty decent track since you're liable to have it within a few more months. I bet *that* is the rate the devs expect and most likely want to see. They don't want to encourage people to tank in the short term; they want to encourage people to tank over the long term.