As a healer how do you help under geared tanks?

[Rynia]

I've been farming Bray NM today and it's clear that a lot of new tanks struggle with it - on my BLM I popped into no less than five parties in progress where only the other DPS was left, saying the tank had ragequit after a wipe with the healer following behind in most cases. One group wiped because the tank simply couldn't keep aggro on the final boss and kept eating frontal cleaves to boot x.x

I ran it for the last time today on my WHM to help the other guys out as no healers were joining. The tank was woefully undergeared, but we did it in the end.
Put simply, there is no real way we can help them other than explain mechanics that might get them to dodge stuff.

[Arkghyom]

I tank for them.

[Foo01]

I tank for them.

I tried that too, but I don't last very long. When I die the group dies shortly after. I don't know how a healer can tank effectively. You can't even kite and fire like the archer and bards.

[Lafiele]

It seems that there is a great gear disparity between tanks. It was really apparent when I was running nothing but brayflox normal mode. I see level 32 tanks. Some can take 3 hits and be down only 30% health (i.e. 70% remaining), and others take 3 hits and they are like at 10% health. It makes a world of difference, because I can heal them all I want, but ones that take so much damage means I run out of MP much sooner and then we are all dead. I get them protect, but I am still working on getting stoneskin. But it really does matter which dungeon, so in some case stoneskin is going be denied because of level sync. So is there a solution? Or is it mathematically impossible.

Eh, brayfox is the first lowbie tank check and so a lot of new tanks who enter there with subpar gear will get demolished. If they can't even survive the first 2 pulls, they won't fininsh the dungeon and you should just tell the tank to get new gear and abandon the dungeon tbh. Gear is actually important for tanks until a certain level.

[lxSch]

Use eye4eye and virus to reduce the damage they take. And rampart is a short cd buff that allows to reduces damage taken - they should be using it often. Let bard or dragoon tank - they do that well even in lv50+ dungeons. You can dps to kill adds faster, and being synced means taking enmity will not kill you. If tank has enmity issue - let fairy heal him, if fairy takes enmity and dies - is ok, swiftcast-summon back. Shield from adloquium does no count towards healing, so if you need to keep the fairy alive - spam adloquium on tank to keep the enmity.

Remember that PLD don't have access to Shield Oath yet but WAR can use Defiance, so Brayflox's Longstop is just one of those instances where WAR have greater mitigation than PLD. This might be the cause of the disparity you see (can't rule out gear of course). PLDs are going to be taking a lot more damage than WARs and have more difficulty holding enmity.

Defiance is not a damage mitigation skill, and wars do not have inner beast while pld would already have a shield. Thus pld mitigation is always better (even in sword oath) than warrior mitigation. And someone even liked that lol.
But is true warriors have more health and receive more healing than pld would at that level, while lacking flash (Aitar aoe can miss easily), block, dps and str debuff on the boss (minor though).

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

i personally try not to baby them. if they know how to do their job but just can't afford/get the gear. then i just do the normal healing. if its really bad but they are still holding hate, i will help sleep if the thm/blm(if there is one) doesn't/

if they are undergeared and can't do their job, i will try to help them so they can get better. and the i will do what I said.

but... if they don't listen and play only for themselves then since they aren't doing their job or wanting to learn, I will act accordingly to the situation as i see fitting

[UBERHAXED]

I tried that too, but I don't last very long. When I die the group dies shortly after. I don't know how a healer can tank effectively. You can't even kite and fire like the archer and bards.

And the black mages, summoners, and dragoons. About every class can run and attack, not just archers. And believe it or not, scathe definitely hits harder than heavy shot (i.e archer's strongest move that's not a DoT and also has a passive that increases it's damage).

[Foo01]

And the black mages, summoners, and dragoons. About every class can run and attack, not just archers. And believe it or not, scathe definitely hits harder than heavy shot (i.e archer's strongest move that's not a DoT and also has a passive that increases it's damage).

When I cast ruin, if I move it is interrupted. If try to cure with my WHM and I move it is interrupted. Only the archer has so many skills/spells that I can use while running at full speed and never get interrupted. I am not sure you can scathe on the move either. But perhaps I'll try some experiments, but I certainly can't cast fire or ice while on the move.

[Lovescake]

Defiance:- Increases maximum HP by 25%, while lowering damage dealt by 25% and increasing enmity. Increases HP recovery via curing magic by 20% for self.

So where it isnt a damage reduction, it does increase HP, emnity gain and HP recovery from healers, therefore its still a giant advantage over a PLD which can only really Rampart, Awareness at that point.

ive played both with a PLD at 50 where i find a PLD is more of a single target tank if anything, which is why mainly WAR is an Off Tank Class depending on the situation due to their mass HP and the factor holding aggro of multiple mobs is easy with Overpower.

Bard situation however sounds like theyre not giving you enough time to build emnity, if they attack too early no matter what youve done previously it can skewer your emnity massively, as every action is roughly to 1 stack of emnity, they can rally more attacks than you can due to bloodletter + DoT's etc.

[faris]

On whm, I'll do a cycle of curing the tank and reposing one monster at a time between cures. If they're vastly undergeared I'll repose everything but the one they're fighting, and cycle between cures and reposes. On blm I'll do the same, only with less cures, obviously.