Time to move on since Square Enix does not listen to its Constituents

[Mcshiggs]

For the past 5 weeks there have been numerous post from players like me complaining

So you are saying that no matter what, if people whine on the forums for 5 weeks straight, content should be changed to benefit the whiners. What happens if after it is changed the people that had no problem with it to begin with then took to the forums to whine and complain about it being changed, by your logic, they would then need to change it back. This game would ultimately just become centered around those that could just whine the loudest and the longest.

[Tiggy]

So you are saying that no matter what, if people whine on the forums for 5 weeks straight, content should be changed to benefit the whiners. What happens if after it is changed the people that had no problem with it to begin with then took to the forums to whine and complain about it being changed, by your logic, they would then need to change it back. This game would ultimately just become centered around those that could just whine the loudest and the longest.

Taken from Yoshi-P's GDC talk..



So the short answer is a resounding yes.

[Mcshiggs]

Taken from Yoshi-P's GDC talk..
So the short answer is a resounding yes.

If there is anything I have learned from playing this game, visiting the forums and all that jazz, is that one cannot believe that Yoshi-P will do what he says he will until it actually happens.

[ZReport]

If there is anything I have learned from playing this game, visiting the forums and all that jazz, is that one cannot believe that Yoshi-P will do what he says he will until it actually happens.

You are amazingly terrible at reading Yoshida, then.

"One cannot believe Yoshida"? Are you kidding? He's like the most transparent JP game producer around right now. He even comes through on promises he makes even up to a year before initial development. You can take any word he says at any interview as literal gold and truth at this point.

[Mcshiggs]

You are amazingly terrible at reading Yoshida, then.

"One cannot believe Yoshida"? Are you kidding? He's like the most transparent JP game producer around right now. He even comes through on promises he makes even up to a year before initial development. You can take any word he says at any interview as literal gold and truth at this point.

He may have good intentions when he says stuff, but he has failed to follow through many times when it comes to content and release dates, and yes I say him, I know there is a whole development team involved, but he is the one jetting around the world getting all the credit, he is the lead producer, so when something doesn't happen how or when he says it will, then the blame lands on him.

He said Crystal Tower would be ready at release, it wasn't.
He said Free Company and personal housing would be either at release or shortly after, we still have yet to see personal housing.
He said the first patch would roll out in late October, it finally came creeping in in December.
He said we would have free company alliances, we don't.
He said the second part of the zodiak quest would be in 2.25, it wasn't.
He said we would be able to level our chocobos as any job we could have, instead we have the dumbed down 3 tree version.
He said they would have new DirectX compatibility when the PS4 version hit, we don't.
He said FC housing would be cheap enough for 2-3 people to afford from leveling 1 class to 50, we saw how that went down.
I'm sure there's plenty more I'm not thinking of right now, but you get the point.

Now I know all these things he has said and hasn't followed through on weren't directly his fault, but he is the boss, so ultimately it is up to him to get stuff done, if he can't do that, maybe he should be doing a few less PR interviews talking about stuff he can't control, and get back to the offices where he can make sure stuff is getting done.

[LordSideKicks]

Blah

If he is so bad why still stick to his game. =.= Something got to be right or you are crazy to stay.

[RumiP]

If he is so bad why still stick to his game

It's not black or white. Why wouldn't someone who enjoys this game have the desire to see things about it improved, or feel concerned when it's producer slips up?

[ZReport]

He may have good intentions when he says stuff, but he has failed to follow through many times when it comes to content and release dates, and yes I say him, I know there is a whole development team involved, but he is the one jetting around the world getting all the credit, he is the lead producer, so when something doesn't happen how or when he says it will, then the blame lands on him.

He said Crystal Tower would be ready at release, it wasn't.
He said Free Company and personal housing would be either at release or shortly after, we still have yet to see personal housing.
He said the first patch would roll out in late October, it finally came creeping in in December.
He said we would have free company alliances, we don't.
He said the second part of the zodiak quest would be in 2.25, it wasn't.
He said we would be able to level our chocobos as any job we could have, instead we have the dumbed down 3 tree version.
He said they would have new DirectX compatibility when the PS4 version hit, we don't.
He said FC housing would be cheap enough for 2-3 people to afford from leveling 1 class to 50, we saw how that went down.
I'm sure there's plenty more I'm not thinking of right now, but you get the point.

Now I know all these things he has said and hasn't followed through on weren't directly his fault, but he is the boss, so ultimately it is up to him to get stuff done, if he can't do that, maybe he should be doing a few less PR interviews talking about stuff he can't control, and get back to the offices where he can make sure stuff is getting done.

These are not very good reasons to discredit what Yoshi-P is doing or saying.

You're basically calling him out on various delays to specific patches or content, when this is a common occurrence in any standard MMO. The process for creating content is a very tedious process, and I believe players really don't give MMO development teams enough credit when it comes to this. Even despite the fact, when he knows something will be delayed, he gives advance notice and apologies for the fact.

The point you should be looking at is the fact that regardless of delays, he outright tells players what they will see in the future, and very rarely deviates from it, unlike other producers & developers. That's called transparency, and that is what players like to see. He deserves an extra accolade to have to not only clean up the mess Tanaka made in the previous game, but also create a new game alongside it and make most of the development decisions in it's initial production.

That's here nor there now, I guess. We are not way past the fact that ARR is a new, better game. We should be looking forward to changes that will be made in future patches.

[Mcshiggs]

These are not very good reasons to discredit what Yoshi-P is doing or saying.

That's your opinion, my opinion is mine, there is no absolute right and wrong in the matter, I for one think that if he can't hold his development team to dates, detail, and depth in content, he should be concentrating on that instead of talking about how good it can be. Were you happy with how FC housing released? I wasn't it, it was half ass implemented, and horribly limited due to their own server space, another flaw to your glorious Yoshi, he didn't anticipate how much server space would be needed to do it properly, so they half ass it instead. How about beastmen dailies, Yoshi's broad swing at open world content, has a good base to it, but needs more depth as far as rewards in my opinion, 30 days of questing to buy an overpriced minion mount and some dyes just seems kinda blah to me. Now some might say that this can be expanded on and made better in the future, but if that's so, then this is just another example of something being pushed out half done just so something would be there. Do you remember when ready check was introduced, having people spam it so you had a giant window pop up every 15 seconds while you were trying to kill Titan? Their excuse was they didn't anticipate people would abuse a system like that, that's BS so much of this game was built around people not being able to abuse those systems, why don't you think you can friend or mail stuff to an alt, because RMTs would abuse it. The ready check system was something that should have been in at release, wasn't then was rushed in later again in a half assed manner. You say it is Yoshi that deserves extra accolades, well then he deserves the blame, you can't have someone in charge be responsible for all the good, and then just dismiss the bad, because it is common in MMOs, if Yoshi was so great, why can't he manage to overcome these common problems, if his genius is so far reaching, why can't he develop solutions to these type things?

[Magis]

Taken from Yoshi-P's GDC talk..




So the short answer is a resounding yes.

As a Canadian, I always laugh at the second slide. So where do we go?

The thing is, there are people yelling in the forums on both sides of the fence, this isn't a case of everyone in agreement that Atma sucks. Heck, just look in this thread and there are people saying it's fine.