Is the 0-Click Ban also extended to the first coil of bahamut?

[subteraneanbird]

You misunderstand. I never said the ability to do enrage method was intended. Simply the mechanics of Globe 199 work exactly as intended. It is an instant cast, highly damaging move meant to wipe out parties weakened from doing Rot method, or parties who tried to simplify the fight to an extreme by removing too many nodes. This can be proven, as remember in patch 2.16 they accidentally decreased the wait time between Globe 199, making enrage method impossible and then a few days later intentionally returned it to it's original parameters. I don't think they expected people to be able to heal through Globe 199, but they've already proven they like Globe 199 exactly the way it is, and if that means people can trivialize the fight, then so be it.

[ispano]

You misunderstand. I never said the ability to do enrage method was intended. Simply the mechanics of Globe 199 work exactly as intended. It is an instant cast, highly damaging move meant to wipe out parties weakened from doing Rot method, or parties who tried to simplify the fight to an extreme by removing too many nodes. This can be proven, as remember in patch 2.16 they accidentally decreased the wait time between Globe 199, making enrage method impossible and then a few days later intentionally returned it to it's original parameters. I don't think they expected people to be able to heal through Globe 199, but they've already proven they like Globe 199 exactly the way it is, and if that means people can trivialize the fight, then so be it.

I went by the words you posted, as in this line "There is nothing unintended about T2." which means as a whole. If you had said nothing unintended about how Globe 199 works, that would be something else entirely.

[subteraneanbird]

Considering I was talking specifically about enrages and only enrages in that post, it would be trivial to get that from my post. Context exists.

[Kuwagami]

Unintended? Do you read minds? They said they wouldn't change it, not that they never intended for people to beat it that way.

had they intended then that people could heal through T4 enrage and thus bypass the allowed timer ? Just curious here.

Because you know, T1's ADS does have a one shot enrage, while T2's ADS doesn't. Which means the enrage SE set up is working as intended. People in minimum iL still can't heal through i and wipe, so they take a 3rd healer to get it done. But SE never said not going as 2 tanks 2 healer 4 dps was forbidden, although it's not "as intended"

If you think of it that way, Titan Ex solo tank, Titan HM solo tank, every extreme solo heal... none of these are "as intended", as most of them have mechanics to avoid that (especially titan Ex and Levi Ex solo heal). Yet some groups did it. And noone yelled at them for not doing things "as intended".

[Garlyle]

Surviving mechanics that were not necessarily intended to be survived will become more and more common too, if iLvl keeps going up without any sort of upper iLvl syncing.

That said, that's probably intended as well. Square only really seems to be angry if people break the "current endgame"; anything that's old is allowed to become easier through a variety of means.

[Estellios]

Surviving mechanics that were not necessarily intended to be survived will become more and more common too, if iLvl keeps going up without any sort of upper iLvl syncing.

Most "not intended to be survived" mechanics do something like 20-30k damage compared to the 1500-2k or whatever Object 199 does. ADS's enrage was likely meant to be a similar enrage to Turn 4, less of a "you failed" and more a "uh oh you probably should finish this soon".

Although I guess we may get over 20k-30k hp eventually lol

[Kuwagami]

Most "not intended to be survived" mechanics do something like 20-30k damage compared to the 1500-2k or whatever Object 199 does. ADS's enrage was likely meant to be a similar enrage to Turn 4, less of a "you failed" and more a "uh oh you probably should finish this soon".

Although I guess we may get over 20k-30k hp eventually lol

CT's Ancient flare only do 9999 damage and is already perfectly survivable I have yet to test if I can survive the meteor of KB as well

[ispano]

CT's Ancient flare only do 9999 damage and is already perfectly survivable I have yet to test if I can survive the meteor of KB as well

You can. I've seen more than a few WARs do it. And like Estellios said for T2 and a smaller extent T4, the enrage is certainly survivable, but it's likely intent was to point out that the groups dps was slow and they need to finish up. Not, bring more healers and ignore the other mechanics.

[Worm]

Pardon my not being informed. But, does the T8 enrage method work the same or is some certain method utilized? I mean it's one thing to just outheal the constant damage of enrage, but if you're somehow dodging the damage of a single ability by unintended means I guess I can understand the difference in decision on it. If it's just that T8 has a instant one shot mechanic that doesn't really one shot you, then that's just stupid.

[ispano]

Pardon my not being informed. But, does the T8 enrage method work the same or is some certain method utilized? I mean it's one thing to just outheal the constant damage of enrage, but if you're somehow dodging the damage of a single ability by unintended means I guess I can understand the difference in decision on it. If it's just that T8 has a instant one shot mechanic that doesn't really one shot you, then that's just stupid.

T8 Enrage = You hit 11 minutes and he's not dead, you die. 30k to everyone's faces.