Thief/Ninja looks to be Inbound

[Kitru]

Final Fantasy 3 - ranger job from the fire crystal (original version) where archers with white magic, sooo could Ranger be a dps healer? (makes sense with the limit break doesn't it?)

The only reason that the FF3 Ranger got white magic was because the developers were still using D&D as a foundation for classes. Back in AD&D (and in 3.Xe to some extent), Rangers had access to low level divine magic which, in the FF series, is translated into White Magic.

Final Fantasy 4 - Rosa is a ranger/white mage in the game... We all call her a white mage, but in a sense she isn't she's a multi class.. or could she just a ranger itself and like Final Fantasy 3, be a dps healer???

Rosa is a straight up WHM that just so happens to use a bow. She has nowhere near the stats to be a DPS of any kind.

Final Fantasy 5 - Ranger job from the fire crystal was an archer that called upon animals for assistance (a beastmaster?)

Once again, D&D. Rangers got animal companions and the devs had a metric crapton of jobs to create. They weren't beastmasters since FFV actually *had* a beastmaster job which you got at the same time as Ranger. Ranger was the archer.

Final Fantasy Tatics A2 - Ranger job is a trap setter?

The name is only used because they ran out of synonyms for "archer". It's not a real Ranger because it doesn't have any of the trademark Ranger abilities (namely Barrage and Aim).

So we have 2 ranger versions that are healers, 1 ranger version that is a pet class, and 1 ranger version that sets traps (not sure how useful that will be but hey), and then a ranger who is dps.

Rangers have always been straight up DPS. The FF3 ranger was a DPS with some healing utility (it's a "healer" in the same way that PLD was a healer); Rosa was simply a WHM with a bow instead of a staff and Aim simply because there isn't really another character that uses bows. The FFV ranger was *not* a pet class; it was an Archer with a single random effect ability that was in no way defining of the job. The Seeq only got the job name because every other possible one was taken.

Do not look at the name of a job to determine the defining attributes of it. Look at the actual abilities of a job. Ranger has *always* been defined by the abilities Barrage and Aim. Guess what? We already have those in game with the archer, which is synonymous with Ranger in every single game (the only game with both has Hunter as the upgraded Archer so that you still have a viable bow job for the endgame).

RNG is already in game; people are just pissed because it's a class rather than a job.

[SamaelVantas]

Rangers would be a interesting and cool class with animal companions that function differently than the way pets do. Though a way they could work around this is buffs based on animals such as "Hawk Eye" but for them it would change to increasing their overall accuracy and would be continous like the various fist stances monks have. A interesting thought, but Aim in itself is already a cool and fun skill to use in Tactics. So even without companions Rangers would be fun imo.

Speaking of DnD I wonder if they could also somehow incorporate one of the skills most "good" rangers build up for which is (forgot the name) the one that every 5 feet you move back you gain a certain amount more damage on your next shot. THAT would be def. something cool. Combine with hit crit. chances, aim, and other various buffs we could earn a high burst skill in the form of that. Not neccessary of course, but just a cool thought. lol

[PenutButter]

Doubt its gonna be ranger, rangers would just be a redundancy of bards. This would mean that bards would have to changed, probably to a more supportive role, which will bring in the issue of balance and how this new role will fit into everything. Regardless, seriously seriously seriously doubt we're gonna be seeing a new job/class til expansion.

[DoubleT]

man this thread got derailed an never really came back huh lol

1. Yoshi stated himself, classes jobs = updates, races = x-packs (on that note, Yoshi does flip-flop on stuff constantly. Idk if i would outright call him a liar as someone else tried to imply earlier but he does definatly change his mind alot lol)
2. He stated the first of these jobs would be musketeer & thf/nin (which will be dual-weilding stealth dps such as rogues from WoW, confirmed by yoshi in the same post)
3. why all this talk about rng's? SE has NEVER said anything about rng yet lol. an why all of the debate on how its impossible for rng to come from archer? Replace the 5 songs with 5 damage dealing abilites/buffs. BOOM you have a rng that deals more dmg than a brd lol that was soooooo hard. I do think it would be pretty cool to hybridize rng an beatmaster into one like WOW's hunter. And no im not a ex-WoW player lol i am actually ex-xi player.
4. rdm's an runefencers use rapiers, so they will not be coming from gld or war lol most liekly a new fencer class would have to be introduced (not to mention that a rdm with only 5 rdm spells would suck lol)
5. yes Yugiri does state that she will begin teaching her job asap, therfore leading us to believe we will recieve thf/nin within the next patch or 2.
6. yes msk has been due since 1.0, but nowhere in any of the cs's did Merlwyb state that it was being opened up soon, she just shot a gun, which she should do, since it is her weapon lol. She didnt even show off any cool abilites like thancred an yugiri did, jsut shot a couple of shots. So i dont think msk is coming yet, but if it does cool good for SE, about time lol.

p.s. an before yall say, "the whole debate was not about rng being stronger than brd, but brd being made weaker in comparison", Brd was never meant to be top dps, hence the reason their dps got nerfed when they were the top dps lol so a rng being higher than brd on the dps scale would make total sense.

[Aeora]

Man, I don't really care for all that nonsense. . . . I just want to hang up my Sphairai and get to dual wielding!

[Kitru]

dual-weilding stealth dps such as rogues from WoW, confirmed by yoshi in the same post

He's also said that dual wielding is going to be a purely aesthetic construct. THF/NIN are going to use a single MH slot that is a brace of daggers/swords, not 2 weapons equipped independently in MH and OT.

Replace the 5 songs with 5 damage dealing abilites/buffs. BOOM you have a rng that deals more dmg than a brd lol that was soooooo hard. I do think it would be pretty cool to hybridize rng an beatmaster into one like WOW's hunter. And no im not a ex-WoW player lol i am actually ex-xi player.

At which point RNG becomes the best DPS around. BRD's DPS is balanced against casters and mDPS because it is the most unrestricted: it can move as much as it wants and still contribute all of its DPS and is always at the least risk because it's at range. BRD's DPS is not balanced against the other DPS (re: slightly lower) because of its songs (the songs already lower DPS so their cost to DPS is built into them). It's balanced because of it's mobility and range.

And, once again, you're ignoring the fact that it would still play like an archer 99% of the time. 5 job abilities cannot fundamentally change the playstyle of a class for a given role; too much is loaded onto the class. There's little to no reason for the developers to expend the resource to develop a job if it's going to play (like an existing one for the same class even) 99% of the time.

Furthermore, if you actually look at the series, RNG and Archer are synonymous. The trademark RNG abilities (Aim and Barrage) already belong to the ARC class, which is effectively saying that RNG is in game; people are just perturbed that it's called ARC instead of RNG because they want FFXIV to only use the naming conventions from FFXI.

That's 3 major reasons why we're not going to see RNG: balance, development, and precedence.

[Deathscythe343]

people are just perturbed that it's called ARC instead of RNG because they want FFXIV to only use the naming conventions from FFXI.

That isn't why I would like to see a ranger job in this game. You seem to be generalizing people that have a desire to see this job. I was actually hoping for something similar to an EQ ranger. If it gets put into the game, ok. If not, that's ok too.

[Tyvek]

What if Ninja doesnt come yet and we get a dancer tank job and a thief dps off of scoundrel base class?

[Aeora]

What if Ninja doesnt come yet and we get a dancer tank job and a thief dps off of scoundrel base class?

I'll go to Yoshi-P's, take the butter out of his fridge. . . . proceed to microwave said butter till all liquidy and stuffs.
Take a well deserved deuce in empty butter tub, pour the liquified butter atop the stool and place back in the fridge so it sets.....

Just sayin'

[Deathscythe343]

I'll go to Yoshi-P's, take the butter out of his fridge. . . . proceed to microwave said butter till all liquidy and stuffs.
Take a well deserved deuce in empty butter tub, pour the liquified butter atop the stool and place back in the fridge so it sets.....

Just sayin'

Oh so you're totally on board with this then. Great!