Dark Knight

[Kitru]

Well the NPC we saw in the 2.2 storyline is wearing the assassin Iconic outfit.

It's not the Assassin "iconic" outfit (not entirely sure it can be "iconic" given that you're talking about an outfit only used in 2 games where every other implementation looks nothing the same). The assassin outfit you're referring to has a shortcloak, jumper/onesie, separated sleeves/armguards, and a face/head wrap for the mask. Yugiri has a hood, a tunic, bracers, gloves, chainmail pants and boots, and either a pullup from her tunic/undershirt to cover her face or a tighly pulled mask. About the only thing that they have in common is the mask.

Using the outfit as "evidence" that she's an assassin rather than a ninja is ludicrous since it's not even the assassin outfit.

What she's wearing is a closer approximation of the NIN outfit which is generally comprised of a hood, mask, tunic, bracers/armguards, loose pants, and boots. The only thing different about Yugiri's outfit from the traditional NIN outfit is that she has tight pants. She's a NIN, not an assassin.

If they do add in an actual ninja, I think it might actually be a tank, if they already have an assassin job in the game.

Yoshi has already said that NIN will never be a tank because the idea is ludicrous on the face of it. NIN were *stealthy* which is completely and totally contradictory to the idea of a tank. Nowhere in the entire FF series can you find an example where NIN was actually intended to be a tank, and the only example where you *can* find wherein NIN was a tank (FFXI), it wasn't because of the developers thinking it was a keen idea; it was because the devs made a stupid mistake by giving NIN too powerful of a personal survival tool, and the player base completely changed their metagame around said ability. In FFXI, the only reason the devs made NIN a straight up tank was because they had to cede to the player metagame; if the players hadn't turned them into tanks and done so to a monumental degree such that they were often the *preferred* tank, the devs would never have allowed NIN to be tanks.

NIN is going to be DPS. There's no question about it.

Historic ninja don't like actually killing and utilised a number of defensive tactics in their acts of escaping. Cool video on it.

Are you seriously using a video about video game ninjas as a link to historic ninjas? The "defensive tactics" of the historic ninja were almost entirely evasive techniques; not "dodge the sword" but "run away or hide so that they can't catch me". I really don't see a tank doing that.

[Bloodclaw]

It's not the Assassin "iconic" outfit (not entirely sure it can be "iconic" given that you're talking about an outfit only used in 2 games where every other implementation looks nothing the same).

Hold it right there....



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Zero Argument here. This is the assassin iconic outfit there is zero disputing that fact.

[Kitru]

Zero Argument here. This is the assassin iconic outfit there is zero disputing that fact.

Saying there is zero disputing it when you're not actually tackling the counterargument doesn't mean that there's no disputing it. It just means that you're ignoring any counterargument because you're too married to your own idea that you can't fathom any possible contradiction.

You must not have read anything I said concerning the actual break down of the outfit because, if you did, you'd see that almost none of their garments actually the same. All you looked at was a vague similarity in the color scheme and a facewrap and immediately concluded that they were the same thing.

Compare Yugiri's hood, mask, loose shirt, and arm guards to this:



Yugiri's outfit is essentially that (the NIN outfit) with a purple color scheme and no embellishment on the hood.

Seriously. Go and break down the specific garments that are being worn between the classic NIN, the FFTA/2 Assassin, and Yugiri. Yugiri's outfit has way more in common with NIN than Assassin. The only major similarity between Yugiri and the Assassin is the ears and the mask (but the head wrap is all Assassin). Everything else is completely different.

[Bloodclaw]

Saying there is zero disputing it when you're not actually tackling the counterargument doesn't mean that there's no disputing it. It just means that you're ignoring any counterargument because you're too married to your own idea that you can't fathom any possible contradiction.

Fine, you can needlessly troll and dispute it all you want but it is obvious to anyone that isn't blinded by ninja fanaticism that the simularities between the outfits are worlds more in common with the assassin than your presented ninja.

Complete with similar color pallet, and similarly shaped caplet. Not really a point but both characters even have over-sized ears!

Now it is my understanding that class appearances, names, and abilities do sometimes get switched, mixed, and matched between similar jobs/abilities; for example, the Red Mage and Rune Fencer frequently do this between different games. So this could be a ninja, just looking like and maybe even named assassin to better fit the European market/esthetic.

[Exstal]

Fine, you can needlessly troll and dispute it all you want but it is obvious to anyone that isn't blinded by ninja fanaticism that the simularities between the outfits are worlds more in common with the assassin than your presented ninja.

Complete with similar color pallet, and similarly shaped caplet. Not really a point but both characters even have over-sized ears!

Now it is my understanding that class appearances, names, and abilities do sometimes get switched, mixed, and matched between similar jobs/abilities; for example, the Red Mage and Rune Fencer frequently do this between different games. So this could be a ninja, just looking like and maybe even named assassin to better fit the European market/esthetic.

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Ears are because...well, she's a cat person.


Side note: Why do you call everyone who disagrees with you a troll? It's fair to call you a troll since your opinion differs from ours?

[Bloodclaw]

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Ears are because...well, she's a cat person.


Side note: Why do you call everyone who disagrees with you a troll? It's fair to call you a troll since your opinion differs from ours?

If you look closely, that is a rat tail, not fluffy or furry at all. Its a rat/humanoid race and the ears are folded up a bit due to the hat. Ears was an off comment anyway, not relevant to topic and the ninja is not relevent to the DRK comment really to this degree. So if everyone wants to discuss it, I think it need to be else where.

[IAmPotent]

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Ears are because...well, she's a cat person.


Side note: Why do you call everyone who disagrees with you a troll? It's fair to call you a troll since your opinion differs from ours?

Those ears are WAY to big to be a Miq'ote.

WAY WAY too big.

Just compare a Darklight Cowl on a Miq'ote head(or any other hood) and you can see those ears are 2-3 times longer than any Miq'ote.

Also, Miq'ote ears push against fabric causing vertical indentations, rather than folding back with the fabric.

[Rex]

Ears are because...well, she's a cat person.

She is not a cat person.....

Whether those are ears or horns, just look at her tail. it has scales! If anything she's some kind of reptilian race! A cat person!? No.

[Kitru]

Fine, you can needlessly troll and dispute it all you want

So I'm trolling because you keep getting stuff wrong and I keep correcting you? That's a remarkably strange definition of trolling given that I haven't even been partaking in a semantic debate because I'm directly tackling your arguments and point out how they're simply *wrong* by providing contradictory evidence or pointing out the weakness in your source information.

Also, I'm not a ninja fanatic. I simply know the difference between the mythologized ninja and real ninjas, and its something of an annoyance of mine when people act like their mythologized archetypes are the historical fact. If you want to use the mythologized ninja, feel free, but don't delude yourself by saying that it's historically accurate. I, honestly, wouldn't *want* to play a game with historically accurate ninjas because it wouldn't be nearly as exciting/fun as running around with insane weapons carving up hordes of enemies, but that doesn't mean that I think that video game ninjas are anything resembling the real ones.

Complete with similar color pallet, and similarly shaped caplet. Not really a point but both characters even have over-sized ears!

The only similarity is the color palette, which you seem to be monumentally hung up on. The headpiece is not similarly shaped. The Assassin has a turban like wrap; Yugiri has a hood *just like the picture that I posted*. Exstal already pointed out that the ears are a function *entirely* of race and not of class/job so it's utterly ridiculous to bring them up as evidence as to class, unless you want to claim that we'll never see any NIN except for hyur because they're the only race that ever gets to be NIN in the series.

The *only* similarity that you can actually claim is the color palette. Absolutely *everything* else is from the Ninja, not the Assassin, so, unless you seriously want to argue that color palette trumps the *everything else*, you're straight up wrong. In fact, using color palette to argue for Assassin instead of Ninja is a painfully *bad* argument because Ninja (as a job, rather than a specific character) has used *tremendously* different color palettes throughout the years and even within the same game.

In FFI and III, the Ninja was red. In FFV, each character had a different color for their ninja outfit (red, blue, black, purple, pink). In Tactics, they were either Red or Blue, based upon gender. In the Tactics Advance games, they were either purple (your side) or green (enemy).

Ninja has never *had* a consistent color palette. Hell, if you want to use the appearance of the ninja with a purple color palette (from the same games where you get Assassin), they look more like Yugiri than the Assassin does (unless you honestly believe that race is some kind of class trump card):



The skin is entirely

Now it is my understanding that class appearances, names, and abilities do sometimes get switched, mixed, and matched between similar jobs/abilities; for example, the Red Mage and Rune Fencer frequently do this between different games. So this could be a ninja, just looking like and maybe even named assassin to better fit the European market/esthetic.

The only games in which the Assassin job has showed up have been those games where Ninjas already existed. The Assassin was either an uber-ninja that players could not get (FFT; it didn't even *look* like your Assassin either), or it was the variant ninja for a different race (FFTA/2). There is no support in any FF series for Assassin existing exclusive of Ninja. The fact that *Ninja* is an iconic job of the series (and is *always* called Ninja, never Assassin) and Assassin is not pretty much means that we're not going to see Assassin as the name of the class instead of Ninja.

Rune Fencer has existed in a single game *ever* (FFXI), and it already had Red Mage, which looked exactly like the archetypal Red Mage. The whole "mystic swordsman" archetype has never been consistently portrayed as any specific job across the series, which is why it's a problematic archetype to implement in the MMO.

It's pretty obvious that you know next to nothing of the series as a whole because the cases where *iconic* classes get their abilities and appearances shifted around is the exception, not the rule. You'd also realize that Assassin is nowhere near to being iconic compared to the Ninja. At this point, I can only assume you're looking for any feasible justification to reinforce your beliefs/arguments in the face of insurmountable evidence because you've become so invested in it due to having to defend it that would be almost painful for you to admit you've been wrong the entire time.

[Bloodclaw]

Are you seriously using a video about video game ninjas as a link to historic ninjas? The "defensive tactics" of the historic ninja were almost entirely evasive techniques; not "dodge the sword" but "run away or hide so that they can't catch me". I really don't see a tank doing that.

If you actually WATCH the video the creator was comparing fake Video Game Ninjas to REAL ones. Better luck next time on this one.

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